Pete Hines is leaving Bethesda

[Rekkapryde]

I keep saying it, when a company gets bought out, that's usually it. In many cases, their fire ain't the same any more. Especially when they're an older company.

The cats who were working there initially get paid and dip. Now you're left with a skeleton company where all the innovation that was once there are now gone and you just got a bunch of new faces without the gift that made the company great.

You can hire a lot of new, young talent but that doesn't mean they're gifted to carry, like the people who made the magic were. A lot of young physicists are smarter and even have a higher IQ than Albert Einstein, but they ain't Albert Einstein and will never come up with anything nearly as significant of contributions. Chances are you see a lot of these people everyday on a lunch break. Every well-known big company has ultra-smart geniuses working there. Genuises aren't rare, but legends are.

The shyt these companies pulled off to go to the next level are basically a timestamp of catching lightning in a bottle at the right place, right time - simply conditions very difficult to replicate. You can't buy nor pay for that.

Even if you have a new talent they're going to have a hard time climbing the well-established hierarchy at said company and usually end up dipping to another company where they can see their contributions have more weight and less resistance. Problem and risk is, if you do believe in their talent, spend resources to back them up but are wrong - that's a large amount of time and money going to waste and you've basically pissed off the experienced older people there.

At the end of the day, these were really expensive acquisitions for Microsoft knowing the main talent of the companies are older (and some central to their prime like John Carmack and Zenimax were long gone) and times aren't the same.

PREACH

 

[Rice N Beans]

He should have retired after all that capping he did for Redfall.

He probably came up with the sticker idea.

 

[MrLogic]

M$ gonna M$....

Were studios die.... we all been gaming long enough to know this trend when its comes to M$ bought studios


M$ doesn't have creative enough culture once they push out Howard after ES6 with all his car sales man vibe what M$ gonnna do put the forza team on elder scrolls 7, starfield 2, and fallout 5

 

[winb83]

M$ gonna M$....

Were studios die.... we all been gaming long enough to know this trend when its comes to M$ bought studios


M$ doesn't have creative enough culture once they push out Howard after ES6 with all his car sales man vibe what M$ gonnna do put the forza team on elder scrolls 7, starfield 2, and fallout 5

When it comes to consistently providing content for a subscription based service that's trying to get it's hooks in customers that's not going to be enough. If they were only focused on the traditional business model only it would be.

Even beyond that Microsoft has the issue of bleeding talent. They buy a company and the talent leaves gradually over time and either the company gets shut down or becomes a shell of it's former self. They're a lot like EA in that they cannibalize companies to continue their existence.

They have a real culture problem of seeming like everything is just a business transaction. When the Todd Howards and Tim Schafers inevitably leave who they gonna be left with? I genuinely think the developers at Sony and Nintendo are passionate to be there long term and see value in staying on. I genuinely think the developers at Microsoft are just collecting a check for a while and will end up leaving to do something they're actually passionate about.

There is a level of desperation at Sony and Nintendo that Microsoft will never relate to. For those two gaming has to work or it could damn well sink the company. Gaming will never be that important to Microsoft.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/how-xbox-became-microsofts-greatest-failure.952574/#post-47962884

 

[ORDER_66]

M$ gonna M$....

Were studios die.... we all been gaming long enough to know this trend when its comes to M$ bought studios


M$ doesn't have creative enough culture once they push out Howard after ES6 with all his car sales man vibe what M$ gonnna do put the forza team on elder scrolls 7, starfield 2, and fallout 5

When todd goes the company will be a wrap... ES6 probably be their last great game...

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

When todd goes the company will be a wrap... ES6 probably be their last great game...

Maybe

 

[Instant Classic]

Def wanted to get that Starfield payday and chill. It's most likely for the better to have a guy like Pete leave because I Feel that studio needed new blood because I feel they're living off of Skyrim and Fallout 3. I thought Starfield was better than Fallout 4, but it still felt dated due to how Bethesda hasn't evolved as a studio.

 

[King Sun]

TBH until Todd Howard is replaced nothing will change.

 

[TripleAgent]

fakkit stan thread is fakkity

 

[Fatboi1]

Starfield's lead quest designer leaves Bethesda to join other RPG veterans making a new open-world game

Something Wicked Games snatches another veteran for their horror-RPG

www.gamesradar.com

 

[The Mad Titan]

I keep saying it, when a company gets bought out, that's usually it. In many cases, their fire ain't the same any more. Especially when they're an older company - it's basically one big final payout.

The cats who were working there initially get paid and dip. Now you're left with a skeleton company where all the innovation that was once there are now gone and you just got a bunch of new faces without the gift that made the company great.

You can hire a lot of new, young talent but that doesn't mean they're gifted enough to carry - like the people who made the magic were. A lot of young physicists are smarter and even have a higher IQ than Albert Einstein, but they ain't Albert Einstein and will never come up with anything nearly as significant of contribution(s).

Every well-known, big company has ultra-smart geniuses working there. A ton of them actually.
Chances are you see a lot of these people everyday on a lunch break.
Geniuses aren't rare, but legends are rare as are the conditions when they make their breakthroughs.

The shyt these companies pulled off to go to the next level are basically a timestamp of catching lightning in a bottle at the right place, right time - simply conditions very difficult to replicate. You can't buy nor pay for that.

Even if you have a new high-potential talent they're going to have a hard time climbing the well-established hierarchy at said company and usually end up dipping to another company where they can see their contributions have more weight and less resistance. Problem and risk is, if you do believe in their talent, choose to spend resources to back them up but end up being wrong - that's a large amount of time and money going to waste and you've basically pissed off the experienced older people there with a track record.

When the study is ready, the teacher will appear. Again, you can't pay for that. It'll happen when it happens.

At the end of the day, these were really expensive acquisitions for Microsoft knowing the main talent of the companies are older (and some central to their prime like John Carmack and Zenimax were long gone) and times simply aren't the same. They made the mistake of going to where the ball is, not where it may go.

RIP Bungie?

 

[Half A $]

When will the midfield firings end?

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Starfield's lead quest designer leaves Bethesda to join other RPG veterans making a new open-world game

Something Wicked Games snatches another veteran for their horror-RPG

www.gamesradar.com

Damn, everyone getting fired

 

[duckbutta]

I mean when studios get purchased do any of the big name senior leadership people stay?

Hines probably went from having a boss to having 4 bosses.

 

[Rekkapryde]

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/how-xbox-became-microsofts-greatest-failure.952574/#post-47962884