The Boogie/AD frontcourt only works because Davis is capable of working around Boogie, while still having elite impact. A Boogie/Embiid frontcourt most probably wouldn't, because neither have the shown the capability of playing around a dominant-possession frontcourt partner, because it goes directly against their style of play, respective skillsets and conditioning.
No, it works because they're both top 15 players, trying to say it wouldn't work with Boogie/Embiid is you just saying so, there's nothing to back up that claim. We'll never know one way or the other, so just as easily as you say it probably wouldn't work, I can say it probably would work because at the end of the day talent matters. We've reached an impasse, people thought the Boogie/Davis pairing wouldn't work
And we've seen Boogie play next to other centers (Koufous, WCS) who weren't nearly as talented as the Young Gawd.
Simmons' activity is mainly on the perimeter -- playmaking -- that's what his first, second and third inclination is. Boogie's touches/TOP is mostly about him trying to generate offense for himself, and not others. It's not just about how many threes Boogie takes, it's about how much he monopolizes the ball for
himself, and the areas where (in the low post/paint) he's mainly stationed in. Simmons isn't in the low post/paint demanding touches for himself.
The point is Simmons cannot shoot, him being on the floor with Embiid makes things more difficult for the Gawd at times, as he often cuts to the rim from the weakside when the Young Gawd has the ball in the post. His man will also drop back and give him a 93 foot cushion when he doesn't have the ball, Embiid is learning to deal with doubles from the post because of this. Boogie being able to shoot and stretch the floor would work fine with Embiid, again why would Embiid be the one to change his game when he's better than Cousins?
First, you turn your nose up at AD playing like a "SF" (when it's out of necessity in order for the AD/Boogie frontcourt to function properly, because Boogie needs his touches), but in the next breath you're claiming that Embiid would have no issue playing with Boogie, when one of them would need to play like AD. You can bet your bottom dollar that Boogie wouldn't be the one to replicate shyt AD does all over the floor on both ends, while dealing with limited possessions, so basically that would leave Embiid to pick most of the "SF" slack.
Nope, prove unequivocally that Embiid would have to change his game, you can't, we can only speculate
Why would Embiid need to adopt the "SF" role when Cousins is the better catch & shoot / catch and drive player?
Except being the better player can mean you have to adjust your play because others are incapable of doing so, you should know this after Duncan has pretty much adjusted throughout most of his career. Or are you admitting here and now that Duncan was never the best player on the Spurs from the mid-00s onwards (careful now, I may have to get
@CantStop to start taking photo evidence)?
Tim only adjusted his game when he was older, he already had 3 finals MVPs and 2 MVPs, when have I ever said Tim was still in his prime after 07? What I have said is that his longevity gives him the edge over other players.
And wow, you calling for help from
@CantStop? I'm telling you I don't want to have to get the Coalition together and you trying my hand looking for the tag in right now? This was between us, yet another snake move
First you called Joel the next Hakeem, now you've turned on him, and when I give you a pass from putting the KillGiL Coalition™ together and you do this? I'm gonna tell you one more time, I have positively affected the bank accounts of coli-posters, and asked for nothing in return from them, don't make me put them with the Rocket fans, Laker fans, Profasi, Bron & Cleveland fans etc to go at you. This is your moment in Coli history, the same point Hitler was at when he decided to invade Russia, you're fighting too many battles on too many fronts, this is the one theater not to enter. I'm warning you because I don't actually want to do it to you, I got leveled up in the last 2 months while you were making new enemies
Embiid would need to adjust (well, he'd be the one that would need to adjust the most) because like I said above, Boogie's impact is significantly limited if he doesn't have the ball in his hands and isn't getting the majority of possessions.
No he wouldn't
Just because you said it doesn't mean it would be true, this is all speculation, you can't say anything at all with certainty
Frequency does matter, I've already acknowledged so in the previous post. Your Buddy/Curry shooting comparison doesn't make sense in this context, and here's why - AD is a greater and more versatile scorer than Embiid is (whereas Buddy's not even in the basketball caste as Curry), therefore he could handle MORE post possessions and not have a notable drop in efficiency in relation to Embiid, because of his abilities. Again, I must reiterate, AD's doesn't get a wealth of post possessions because it's out of necessity for the functionality and success of the team.
Why are you talking about scoring? We were talking strictly about post ups, you brought up AD's post up numbers and directly compared them to Embiid's leaving out the frequency in which they do it, that is exactly the same as posting Hield and Curry's shooting percentages and leaving out attempts. You left out context completely which is why I brought it up, if one guy is doing something 44% of the time, and the other guy is doing it 21% of the time you cannot compare them, but you did anyway
Now, who's coming with the "dishonest plays"; assisted shots aren't directly indicative of a player's inability to create for himself, but more so the role one has on the team and the system of play. You're making it seem like he needs his offense fed to him, as if he's incapable of generating it on his own. Players who can put up 30 any given night clearly don't deserve to be squared into that box. Nevermind the fact that he's still progressing and adding to his offensive game.
Post dishonest numbers, then cry foul when others do it, where they do that at breh? Your post up numbers provided absolutely no context and were framed to make it seem like Davis was a comparable post player to the best post player in the NBA. He's not incapable of creating his own offense, but post players generally create their own shots, hence Embiid & LMA being assisted far less than Davis.
Because he's typically been used and accustomed to being a face-up player. I'm not saying that he's going to evolve into a "godly post player" or anything of the sort, partly because it'd go directly against his versatility - he's never going to be just
one type of scorer; he'll score in any fashion that the team needs him to.
He grew up a guard, he has no real desire to play in the post, he's being used the way he's comfortable playing. And Embiid doesn't just score "one way" either
Weren't you arguing against the notion that one shouldn't try to box players in at a young age? Now here you are saying that an early 20s, all-time talent wasn't ever going to add post-scoring to his game. Sounds like to me
@Malta isn't keeping up with his preach and practice.
He's in his 6th season and about to turn 25, he grew up as a guard, he's not developing a post game anytime soon and has never shown the inclination to do so. You reaching like Mo Bamba on this one
If you think Boogie's capable of assuming the roles(s) of AD, well you'd be in for a rude awakening.
Ancient Pau and LMA work together without either one of them assuming an "SF" role, if they can do it together then I have no doubt Boogie and Embiid would work as well
How so, when Cousins is incapable of playing off the ball, and needs touches/heavy TOP to develop rhythm and stay engaged in the game on both ends of the floor (you've seen how often he mentally checks out when things don't go his way, just imagine parlaying that with the line of him not getting the ball when he wanted to; forced to stand out on the perimeter while Embiid is in the post). You think if you took all that away from him and made him have secondary touches to another big man he'd have any great impact on the game? Of course not. His efficency would suffer, his defense and engagement level would suffer even more.
The Sixers play at the 2nd fastest pace in the league, Cousins would still get his 15-18 shots per game, it would just mean less shots for "BobGOTPaid" and less stagnation of their offense. Embiid has a high usage rate because he must have a high usage rate, who else is the offense going to run through, Ben Simmons, Covington?
The 76ers are probably the most hardest-working/hustle team in the league, who don't have an adequate defensive big to replace Embiid when he's off the floor. You replace him with AD and the 76ers would probably be better on defense, you replace AD with Embiid on the Pelicans and they get worse on that end.
So now the Sixers defense would be better with AD in place of Joel? You just said they don't have an adequate defensive big to replace Embiid with, yet they'd be better with Davis, a guy who doesn't like playing C is now going to be a better defensive center than one of the best defensive Cs in the league?
Beloved, Embiid is an elite defensive anchor, you're not replacing him with Davis and getting the same results, especially not from a guy who doesn't like playing the position.
You wanna know why the Pelicans are 24th in DRTG, it's mostly because of Boogie - AD is the main reason why it's not any worse. The Pelicans are 10 points better on defense when AD is on the floor, that is one of the best marks in the league out of all defensive anchors; the 76ers are only 7 points betters on defense when Embiid is on the floor.
Who the hell is gonna do all the dirty work and run around all over the halfcourt of the defensive end out of Boogie and Embiid?
I see you're still not open to the idea of Davis being the number 2 to Embiid, you keep skirting around it
Also, Embiid plays with two white players in the starting lineup, the fact they are top 5 says enough about how great he is as defensive anchor.
How you gonna call a dude Hakeem, then argue that someone like Davis is better? Is it ochie wally or one mic? Or are you saying Davis is better than Hakeem?
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This sure sounds like all the questions about whether Boogie and Davis can play together. Sorry, but Embiid currently has a 6'10" Rondo on his team that refuses to shoot anything beyond 5 feet, if he can function with that on the floor he can function with Euro Boog who takes almost as many threes a game as Redikk.
