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My NO brehs we need a meeting
Pelicans Fire Van Gundy
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RIP Future Gohan
Dude is the perfect guard to pair Ingram and Zion
Plays great defense, shoots the three well and distributes while spacing the floor for them
That would be the dumbest move they could do with how much Zo has improved as a shooter
AVXL
Laughing at you n*ggaz like “ha ha ha”
Still crying over Julio, breh.
Crying?
Breh we got a WHOLE check out that trade. WE GOOD. I’d be crying if I wasted the prime of my HOF MAGA QB for the last several seasons with no legit QB in sight on the roster. That might lead a lil whoadie to drink all the bourbon on Bourbon St
Flex Luger
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LV Koopa
Jester from Hell
I don't have a sub but that first paragraph is a WTF moment. Dude still on his rookie deal and putting pressure on these cats
Flex Luger
Job Is Finished
Anyone can post the whole article
Nigerianwonder
Superstar
I don't have a sub but that first paragraph is a WTF moment. Dude still on his rookie deal and putting pressure on these cats
As he should be. BI was the clear number 1 option on the team and SVG doubled down on that when it should have been Zion the whole time. It's Zions team now. Anybody that dont understand that or dont fall in line gonna get the boot.
@23Barrettcity
Parting ways with Stan Van Gundy after just one season is not the biggest problem facing the New Orleans Pelicans. They have been unable to put together the right elements to make rising star Zion Williamson and his family happy, and multiple sources have told The Athletic that certain family members want Williamson on another team.
For months, sources from all NBA corners have pointed to the Pelicans as a heap of dysfunction. There was a growing unease between Van Gundy and his players, and Van Gundy and the New Orleans front office, which came to a head Wednesday with the veteran coach and organization agreeing to part ways with three years left on his contract. Most of the attention, however, from numerous sources across the league, has centered on Williamson’s family members’ thinly veiled unhappiness with the Pelicans, and whether those feelings seeped into the player’s own views.
At his end of season press conference, his frustrations were made evident. “It’s disappointing. I’d be lying to you if I said anything else,” Williamson said, when addressing the team’s performance this year. “It’s very disappointing. But the best thing we can do is regroup, come together as a team, come together as coaches this offseason, talk and do what we need to do to be better next year. It’s not much to it, we just gotta be better.”
The Pelicans control Williamson’s contract situation for at least three more years after making him the No. 1 overall pick of the 2019 draft. Those who know Williamson well say he just wants to win and compete at the highest level. They say he remains focused on basketball and helping New Orleans win next season. Over his first two seasons, Williamson has already established himself as an All-Star forward whose affable, carefree and passionate style on the court makes him a fan-favorite. A franchise that three seasons ago had to deal with Anthony Davis’ trade demands, which began with grumblings from Davis’ father, the Pelicans know not to misread the tea leaves here. No one as young and as inexperienced as Williamson has tried to force their way out via trade before. Across the league, however, it has become common practice among veteran NBA stars to do just that.
During the training camp portion of the NBA’s season restart at Disney last season, Williamson was dealing with a minor leg injury, to the point where it had forced him out of portions of Pelicans practice. Shortly after that, he left the bubble for what both the team and player would only say was an “urgent family medical matter.” Neither the team nor family ever disclosed what the issue was. Two sources with knowledge of Zion’s absence said there was an issue, but questioned the urgency to leave the bubble, which kept him away from the team for about a week.
The Pels made changes to their support staff to fit Williamson’s wishes over the offseason, and he returned in much better physical condition. But for most of this season, certain Williamson family members voiced displeasure with the organization. Among the targets of their criticism was Van Gundy, who they felt was too rigid and demanding as head coach, but also with the organization, which they claim did not live up to what they felt should be the standard for a star like Williamson. Numerous opposing league executives had heard the complaints, and they were confirmed by Pelicans officials.
When the Pels traded J.J. Redikk to Dallas in March, it not only upset Redikk but also is said to have irritated Williamson. Redikk had asked to either be traded before the season or to stay in New Orleans all season for family reasons and proceeded to blast the organization and executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin on his podcast after the trade. Redikk was a veteran with whom Williamson had grown comfortable in their two seasons together, and the dysfunction Redikk accused the Pelicans of harboring is said to have stoked some of Williamson’s own feelings with regards to the direction of the franchise.
“I don’t think you’re going to get honesty from that (New Orleans) front office, objectively speaking,” Redikk said after the trade, echoing the exact line of criticism people close to Williamson had levied against the Pelicans. “That’s an opinion. I just don’t think you’re gonna get that. I don’t think what happened with me is necessarily an isolated incident. It’s not something where I would expect certainly the agents who worked on this with me to ever trust that front office again.”
After a game at Madison Square Garden in April, Williamson was asked about playing his first game as a pro in New York. He flashed that multi-million-dollar smile and said: “I’m glad you asked that, actually. New York is the Mecca of basketball. I love playing here. I’ve played here in college. This is my first time playing here in the pros. This atmosphere, whether they are cheering for you or booing for you, it’s amazing. Honestly, outside of New Orleans, obviously, I think this might be my favorite place to play outside of New Orleans.”
After Williamson said it, Pelicans officials were quick to point to “outside of New Orleans” as evidence he didn’t actually want to leave.
Van Gundy, 61, who has now served as a head coach for four teams and compiled a 554-425 record over 13 seasons, informed his coaching staff in a face-to-face meeting Wednesday that he would not return. Assistants said they were going through pre-draft workouts and not expecting this news.
On a late-season bus trip, Van Gundy was venting frustrations to an assistant after a loss. According to Van Gundy, someone who overheard the conversation reported back to Griffin that Van Gundy was so frustrated that he might not return. Also, leading up to the final weekend of the regular season, a meeting between Van Gundy and Griffin did not go well — with dozens of sources chatting about it after it happened.
Van Gundy guided the Pelicans to a 31-41 record in his lone season. He was hired to replace Alvin Gentry, who was fired after the Pelicans didn’t make the playoffs in Williamson’s first pro season. Throughout the season, Van Gundy’s coaching style grated on the roster, creating questions about whether he was the proper hire for a young, up-and-coming team.
Sources indicated that Brandon Ingram, an All-Star under Gentry, was not a fan of Van Gundy’s coaching style. Ingram openly talked about the way Van Gundy used Williamson and him in certain offensive sets and how they rarely worked together to get each other easier looks.
Van Gundy was also unhappy for large portions of the season, exasperated over how much difficulty he was having getting the young core to buy into a commitment to defense. Van Gundy and his wife relocated to New Orleans from central Florida, where they lived full time after his job with the Detroit Pistons ended following the 2018 season. He was working as a TV analyst for TNT when the Pelicans hired him in October.
Two potential in-house candidates to replace Van Gundy are assistants Fred Vinson and Teresa Weatherspoon, though Griffin said during his news conference Wednesday that her candidacy was “premature.” If hired, of course, Weatherspoon would not just be the first woman full-time head coach in the NBA, but in any major American men’s professional sport. Outside candidates likely to get a look include Chauncey Billups, currently a Clippers assistant, and Jacque Vaughn, an assistant in Brooklyn.
Vinson, who is interested in the job, is the longest-tenured coach on the staff, having worked in New Orleans since 2010, and gained notice recently for the work he’s done with Ingram and Lonzo Ball on their jump shots.
“When I came here, my shot wasn’t working,” Ball said after a win over Houston in April where he hit a career-high eight 3-pointers. “Pretty much all the credit goes to Fred (Vinson). We have been grinding ever since and now you can see the work paying off.”
Along with their search for a new head coach, the Pelicans have some major decisions this summer concerning two of the better young players on the roster.
Ball and Josh Hart could be heading into restricted free agency, and both will be looking for lucrative new deals after the growth they’ve shown during the past two seasons in New Orleans.
Ball and Hart were traded to New Orleans as part of the blockbuster Davis deal in 2019 and were given an opportunity to play substantial roles as core pieces next to franchise cornerstones Williamson and Ingram.
Hart has become one of the loudest voices for a young team that has lacked forceful leadership, and his presence was severely missed during the final 25 games of the regular season as he recovered from thumb surgery.
Ball has also developed a strong bond with Williamson and Ingram over time, and both franchise players lobbied for him to return next season during their end-of-season pressers in May — something to consider if indeed Williamson’s happiness in New Orleans is in question.
“It’d be dope. Me, Brandon and Zo, the three of us have a great relationship,” Williamson said. “I really would want Zo to come back. He knows that. But you know, like I said, the reality of the situation is Zo is a grown man, so he’ll make the decision that’s best for him. The only thing I can say is, I hope he stays.”
Ingram added, “In my exit meeting, I talked a lot about (Ball and Hart), especially Zo. I think he’s a generational talent in his passing ability. The things he sees on the basketball floor that nobody else sees, how he can manipulate the game and on the defensive end, his anticipation.”
For months, sources from all NBA corners have pointed to the Pelicans as a heap of dysfunction. There was a growing unease between Van Gundy and his players, and Van Gundy and the New Orleans front office, which came to a head Wednesday with the veteran coach and organization agreeing to part ways with three years left on his contract. Most of the attention, however, from numerous sources across the league, has centered on Williamson’s family members’ thinly veiled unhappiness with the Pelicans, and whether those feelings seeped into the player’s own views.
At his end of season press conference, his frustrations were made evident. “It’s disappointing. I’d be lying to you if I said anything else,” Williamson said, when addressing the team’s performance this year. “It’s very disappointing. But the best thing we can do is regroup, come together as a team, come together as coaches this offseason, talk and do what we need to do to be better next year. It’s not much to it, we just gotta be better.”
The Pelicans control Williamson’s contract situation for at least three more years after making him the No. 1 overall pick of the 2019 draft. Those who know Williamson well say he just wants to win and compete at the highest level. They say he remains focused on basketball and helping New Orleans win next season. Over his first two seasons, Williamson has already established himself as an All-Star forward whose affable, carefree and passionate style on the court makes him a fan-favorite. A franchise that three seasons ago had to deal with Anthony Davis’ trade demands, which began with grumblings from Davis’ father, the Pelicans know not to misread the tea leaves here. No one as young and as inexperienced as Williamson has tried to force their way out via trade before. Across the league, however, it has become common practice among veteran NBA stars to do just that.
During the training camp portion of the NBA’s season restart at Disney last season, Williamson was dealing with a minor leg injury, to the point where it had forced him out of portions of Pelicans practice. Shortly after that, he left the bubble for what both the team and player would only say was an “urgent family medical matter.” Neither the team nor family ever disclosed what the issue was. Two sources with knowledge of Zion’s absence said there was an issue, but questioned the urgency to leave the bubble, which kept him away from the team for about a week.
The Pels made changes to their support staff to fit Williamson’s wishes over the offseason, and he returned in much better physical condition. But for most of this season, certain Williamson family members voiced displeasure with the organization. Among the targets of their criticism was Van Gundy, who they felt was too rigid and demanding as head coach, but also with the organization, which they claim did not live up to what they felt should be the standard for a star like Williamson. Numerous opposing league executives had heard the complaints, and they were confirmed by Pelicans officials.
When the Pels traded J.J. Redikk to Dallas in March, it not only upset Redikk but also is said to have irritated Williamson. Redikk had asked to either be traded before the season or to stay in New Orleans all season for family reasons and proceeded to blast the organization and executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin on his podcast after the trade. Redikk was a veteran with whom Williamson had grown comfortable in their two seasons together, and the dysfunction Redikk accused the Pelicans of harboring is said to have stoked some of Williamson’s own feelings with regards to the direction of the franchise.
“I don’t think you’re going to get honesty from that (New Orleans) front office, objectively speaking,” Redikk said after the trade, echoing the exact line of criticism people close to Williamson had levied against the Pelicans. “That’s an opinion. I just don’t think you’re gonna get that. I don’t think what happened with me is necessarily an isolated incident. It’s not something where I would expect certainly the agents who worked on this with me to ever trust that front office again.”
After a game at Madison Square Garden in April, Williamson was asked about playing his first game as a pro in New York. He flashed that multi-million-dollar smile and said: “I’m glad you asked that, actually. New York is the Mecca of basketball. I love playing here. I’ve played here in college. This is my first time playing here in the pros. This atmosphere, whether they are cheering for you or booing for you, it’s amazing. Honestly, outside of New Orleans, obviously, I think this might be my favorite place to play outside of New Orleans.”
After Williamson said it, Pelicans officials were quick to point to “outside of New Orleans” as evidence he didn’t actually want to leave.
Van Gundy, 61, who has now served as a head coach for four teams and compiled a 554-425 record over 13 seasons, informed his coaching staff in a face-to-face meeting Wednesday that he would not return. Assistants said they were going through pre-draft workouts and not expecting this news.
On a late-season bus trip, Van Gundy was venting frustrations to an assistant after a loss. According to Van Gundy, someone who overheard the conversation reported back to Griffin that Van Gundy was so frustrated that he might not return. Also, leading up to the final weekend of the regular season, a meeting between Van Gundy and Griffin did not go well — with dozens of sources chatting about it after it happened.
Van Gundy guided the Pelicans to a 31-41 record in his lone season. He was hired to replace Alvin Gentry, who was fired after the Pelicans didn’t make the playoffs in Williamson’s first pro season. Throughout the season, Van Gundy’s coaching style grated on the roster, creating questions about whether he was the proper hire for a young, up-and-coming team.
Sources indicated that Brandon Ingram, an All-Star under Gentry, was not a fan of Van Gundy’s coaching style. Ingram openly talked about the way Van Gundy used Williamson and him in certain offensive sets and how they rarely worked together to get each other easier looks.
Van Gundy was also unhappy for large portions of the season, exasperated over how much difficulty he was having getting the young core to buy into a commitment to defense. Van Gundy and his wife relocated to New Orleans from central Florida, where they lived full time after his job with the Detroit Pistons ended following the 2018 season. He was working as a TV analyst for TNT when the Pelicans hired him in October.
Two potential in-house candidates to replace Van Gundy are assistants Fred Vinson and Teresa Weatherspoon, though Griffin said during his news conference Wednesday that her candidacy was “premature.” If hired, of course, Weatherspoon would not just be the first woman full-time head coach in the NBA, but in any major American men’s professional sport. Outside candidates likely to get a look include Chauncey Billups, currently a Clippers assistant, and Jacque Vaughn, an assistant in Brooklyn.
Vinson, who is interested in the job, is the longest-tenured coach on the staff, having worked in New Orleans since 2010, and gained notice recently for the work he’s done with Ingram and Lonzo Ball on their jump shots.
“When I came here, my shot wasn’t working,” Ball said after a win over Houston in April where he hit a career-high eight 3-pointers. “Pretty much all the credit goes to Fred (Vinson). We have been grinding ever since and now you can see the work paying off.”
Along with their search for a new head coach, the Pelicans have some major decisions this summer concerning two of the better young players on the roster.
Ball and Josh Hart could be heading into restricted free agency, and both will be looking for lucrative new deals after the growth they’ve shown during the past two seasons in New Orleans.
Ball and Hart were traded to New Orleans as part of the blockbuster Davis deal in 2019 and were given an opportunity to play substantial roles as core pieces next to franchise cornerstones Williamson and Ingram.
Hart has become one of the loudest voices for a young team that has lacked forceful leadership, and his presence was severely missed during the final 25 games of the regular season as he recovered from thumb surgery.
Ball has also developed a strong bond with Williamson and Ingram over time, and both franchise players lobbied for him to return next season during their end-of-season pressers in May — something to consider if indeed Williamson’s happiness in New Orleans is in question.
“It’d be dope. Me, Brandon and Zo, the three of us have a great relationship,” Williamson said. “I really would want Zo to come back. He knows that. But you know, like I said, the reality of the situation is Zo is a grown man, so he’ll make the decision that’s best for him. The only thing I can say is, I hope he stays.”
Ingram added, “In my exit meeting, I talked a lot about (Ball and Hart), especially Zo. I think he’s a generational talent in his passing ability. The things he sees on the basketball floor that nobody else sees, how he can manipulate the game and on the defensive end, his anticipation.”
Flex Luger
Job Is Finished
Sounds like Zion actually likes playing with Ingram while I see dudes on here screaming he should be shipped out.
ALonelyDad
Veteran
These dudes don’t know anything and say dumb shyt. The stats nor the tape backs their dumb shyt up
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
Sure, hire the guy who got fired after starting 14-20 only to see his replacement go 27-11 afterwards. He isn't getting another HC gig for a long time.
Yeah Lloyd about to sign that lifetime nba tv contract
