ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
This is just as absurd as Courtdog making light of child pedophilia
Paul Ryan: Rape "another form of conception"
- Thread starter Julius Skrrvin
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Our country is a damn joke.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Rights to liberty, security of person, and privacy, for starters.
Let me break it down for you schematically:
1. Rape is first and foremost an issue of power and dominance. This is a well known and undisputable fact. The primary purpose/function of rape is to violate someone else physically, mentally, and emotionally, which is of course a matter of the deprivation of rights if you believe in them at all.
2. When a woman is raped, she is thus violated.
3. If she becomes pregnant, and forced to carry to term against her will, this mental, physical, and emotional violation (whether you want to think of it as rights-based or not) of the rape is directly extended at least til birth, if not further.
In short, your position is functionally pro-rapist, whether you want it to be or not, since it takes the exact purpose/effects of the rape and deliberately and concretely extends them even further past the event of the rape itself. You want the rape to last at least 9 months longer than it might because you think the zygote/embryo/fetus's life outweighs the rights of a sentient human being.
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
delusional
take your rape baby and be fine with it isnt oppressive? It isnt telling women what to do with their bodies? Try, for like half a minute to put yourself in the place of a woman who was raped and not only does she have to deal with that, the government is forcing her to keep the child of the whole affair, which she might have to disrupt her career and provide for financially (because the rapist isnt about to).
No one saying be fine with it like there are not challenges. Life is hard, no doubt. And emotionally it would be very hard. Government forces us to do a lot things we don't want to do. That's what laws are about. What you can/cannot do. But that "solution" is what's in question. Elizabeth Smart for example was raped, kidnap, etc. But she's raising the kids she was "forced" to have by her rapist. She forgave the sicko and is moving on with her life raising her kids. That's the right attitude in my opinion.
Abortion is legal you insufferable c*nt
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
Actually, that's exactly what people are saying. Accept the rape, keep the child, and give birth to it and care for it? Why? Because you were raped and had a vagina, so its your fault. fukk that dude. Nobody should have to deal with that.
You think that people should tolerate a law like this? I understand if you think abortion is wrong for ethical/religious reasons, but sorry man, this isnt defensible. You think the right attitude is to forgive a rapist? If I was a woman and raped, the last thing id want is to have the child of that fukking coward b*stard that made me a victim.
It is not right for a victim of a crime to be burdened with a financial and emotional cost like this, thats not justice, thats not freedom, thats some taliban shyt. honestly you need to rethink this shyt. How bout you ask some women you know?
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
Liberty, privacy to do what? The act is what's in question. And should humans have the "right", freedom to do this. That's where we (every week) disagree at. I agree on points 1 & 2. My position is not pro-rapist. It's anti- the "act" that will performed on the child.
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
Your position isnt pro rapist, and it might be pro-life, but it is anti-woman 100%.
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
Just is your is 100% anti-children?
I doubt you'd feel the same way if it was your mother, sister, or girlfriend that was raped and impregnated.
It is pro-rapist, though. You already conceded points 1 and 2, which means that you necessarily have to concede point 3.
Your position is that the right to life of the zygote/embryo/fetus outweighs the violations of rights of the sentient human rape victim carrying it. Even if you don't think the woman has a right to abort, you are still saying that it's ok that the rest of the rights that you conceded are violated during rape continue to be violated through the unwanted pregnancy. That is a rapist's dream come true.
Basically, I'm just highlighting the necessary dark side of your position that you're avoiding in your own presentation of it. This is the necessary price for being anti-choice with no exceptions.
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
Blastula aren't children to me, and to be honest neither are fetuses.
I'm fine with abortion up till 2nd trimester personally, although I don't think its really up to men at all what women do with their bodies, that's on them.
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
I know many pro life women and feel the child shouldn't punished because the way it was conceived. No, it's not the woman's "fault" for rape. Yes, I do feel abortion should be illegal. Yes, we do disagree. I do feel the Elizabeth Smart has the right attitude.Actually, that's exactly what people are saying. Accept the rape, keep the child, and give birth to it and care for it? Why? Because you were raped and had a vagina, so its your fault. fukk that dude. Nobody should have to deal with that.
You think that people should tolerate a law like this? I understand if you think abortion is wrong for ethical/religious reasons, but sorry man, this isnt defensible. You think the right attitude is to forgive a rapist? If I was a woman and raped, the last thing id want is to have the child of that fukking coward b*stard that made me a victim.
It is not right for a victim of a crime to be burdened with a financial and emotional cost like this, thats not justice, thats not freedom, thats some taliban shyt. honestly you need to rethink this shyt. How bout you ask some women you know?