Passing the torch to Black heroes is part of the white supremacist lineage of reconciling servitude

[nightwing2016]

I mean... 60-70 years ago a bunch of white folks decided to make some superhero comics and since it was a bunch of white writers and white artists and white editors in a white country where blacks had no rights... the majority of every hero archetype was made for a white man... aquaman, superman, batman, flash, spider-man, the OG 5 x-men (cyclops, beast, iceman, angel, jean), ironman, fantastic four, captain america, etc etc

So 60-70 years later, two things happened:

1. the niche comic book industry never evolved and the same stories about the same white heroes largely continued on for the same all-white niche demographic from 60-70 years ago.

2. mainstream audiences diversified and expanded. After 60-70 years of Muhammad Ali to Jordan to Lebron, and Hendrix to Prince, Jackson, 'Pac, Jay Z, etc, and Eddie Murphy, to Snipes, Denzel, Will Smith, etc.. it was undeniable how much money the not-a-white-guy archetype could generate across all demographics in the major industries.

So the problem with comics is that Marvel/DC inherently came from a foundation, with some exceptions, and never truly evolved, often choosing the lazy path when it came to black n brown characters (legacy characters, or some very flawed "original" concept like Cyborg).

So now that comics are the source material for major industries, you see more race and gender-bending in movies/tv to cater to the mainstream (to maximize profit) bc the niche comic market never did it's job in diversifying their characters.

There is a lot to unpack here but from about 1966-1980 the greatest assortment of black characters were created. To say the comic book industry never evolved is completely untrue. The main problem is people are creating shytty characters and hiding behind their race instead of telling quality stories with them and many of the writers are unwilling to put the thought and care in creating the compelling black characters that we saw earlier. Also how is cyborg flawed his story in that Pérez new teen titans run is great.

 

[nightwing2016]

NightHawk IS the GOAT black superhero.
There is NO other answer.

My nikka was murkin off crooked cops.
That "Hate Makes Hate" story is a MUST READ if youre black.

Nah, that’s Storm. Ororo Munroe is the greatest black superhero ever created her story and growth as a character is a testament to quality writing. Lifedeath a love story embodies so much what is great about her

 

[Primetime]

Yes

but that's not what i'm talking about. I'm talking about how black people are represented and portrayed in the narratives.
Luke Cage is written as a black man who is proud to be black. Falcon is written as black man who worships a white man.


The point you made doesn't address this.

Shiiiiid, you got a character like Blade who was born in a London whorehouse to a prostitute

Storm rep'd as a blue-eyed, straight hair black woman regulated to background character/wallpaper status despite being a natural leader

Bishop another background character turned into a genocidal psychopath obsessed with killin a lil white girl. There was a huge thread on CBR about "black characters" in x-men where everyone went in on alll the bs over the decades.

Cyborg regulated to mutilated robot parts crying about his daddy issues, but hey he got promoted to being batman's personal calculator and JLA chauffeur a few years back, bless his heart

Turned John Stewart into a cripple and #1 d-rider of Hal Jordan (back to worshiper of white man trope), then after a few years of being liberated from that thanks to the popularity of the JLU cartoon, he's now back in the background.. but only after they tried to kill him off and fell back after receiving backlash lol

There's more to go into on each of the above but i'd be writing a dissertation lol. Point is, yea, a lot of the black characters gotta deal with some tied to their existence... Reggie Hudlin said the comic book industry is the most backward and slow moving;

Hell even if you create a formidable independent character like Blue Marvel whose hard to F over, nygga will just be on the shelf for a decade. Black Panther the GOAT was on the shelf for almost 2 decades before Priest.

 

[Luke Cage]

Shiiiiid, you got a character like Blade who was born in a London whorehouse to a prostitute

Storm rep'd as a blue-eyed, straight hair black woman regulated to background character/wallpaper status despite being a natural leader

Bishop another background character turned into a genocidal psychopath obsessed with killin a lil white girl. There was a huge thread on CBR about "black characters" in x-men where everyone went in on alll the bs over the decades.

Cyborg regulated to mutilated robot parts crying about his daddy issues, but hey he got promoted to being batman's personal calculator and JLA chauffeur a few years back, bless his heart

Turned John Stewart into a cripple and #1 d-rider of Hal Jordan (back to worshiper of white man trope), then after a few years of being liberated from that thanks to the popularity of the JLU cartoon, he's now back in the background.. but only after they tried to kill him off and fell back after receiving backlash lol

There's more to go into on each of the above but i'd be writing a dissertation lol. Point is, yea, a lot of the black characters gotta deal with some tied to their existence... Reggie Hudlin said the comic book industry is the most backward and slow moving;

Hell even if you create a formidable independent character like Blue Marvel whose hard to F over, nygga will just be on the shelf for a decade. Black Panther the GOAT was on the shelf for almost 2 decades before Priest.

Finally someone addressing the thread topic. thanks breh.
IN before one of them nikkas say bu bu bu John Stewarts comic run sold a million copies. So that makes it ok to c00n.
But yeah i notice as soon as they give creative control of these characters to black writers they instantly become more relateable.

 

[nightwing2016]

Shiiiiid, you got a character like Blade who was born in a London whorehouse to a prostitute

Storm rep'd as a blue-eyed, straight hair black woman regulated to background character/wallpaper status despite being a natural leader

Bishop another background character turned into a genocidal psychopath obsessed with killin a lil white girl. There was a huge thread on CBR about "black characters" in x-men where everyone went in on alll the bs over the decades.

Cyborg regulated to mutilated robot parts crying about his daddy issues, but hey he got promoted to being batman's personal calculator and JLA chauffeur a few years back, bless his heart

Turned John Stewart into a cripple and #1 d-rider of Hal Jordan (back to worshiper of white man trope), then after a few years of being liberated from that thanks to the popularity of the JLU cartoon, he's now back in the background.. but only after they tried to kill him off and fell back after receiving backlash lol

There's more to go into on each of the above but i'd be writing a dissertation lol. Point is, yea, a lot of the black characters gotta deal with some tied to their existence... Reggie Hudlin said the comic book industry is the most backward and slow moving;

Hell even if you create a formidable independent character like Blue Marvel whose hard to F over, nygga will just be on the shelf for a decade. Black Panther the GOAT was on the shelf for almost 2 decades before Priest.

While I agree with your jon Stewart/Hal Jordan point the cyborg, storm, and bishop points are off base and ignores close to four decades of character growth and development.

Storms blue eyes and white hair are explained as her being a descendent of a group African mystics and she was a center piece for the x-men for close to three decades. How they have treated her recently has irritated me as well starting with her being married to t’challa and having him mistreat her and having her just accept it.

Bishop got a bad deal with hope and cable absolutely but before that Bishop was shown to be extremely capable all the way up to morrison’s New x-men run that shows how adept as a detective and was more then a background character.

Cyborg starts off with daddy issues but grows past them during that Pérez teen titans run the current incarnation of cyborg and the erasing of his past with the titans does him a great disservice but everyone has a beginning. Going from an all star football player to a cyborg would be jarring for anyone especially if they had no say in what had happened to them.

 

[Mr. Negative]

That url :dayum:

 

[Emoryal]

for the longest he was a peter stand in with broken powers. into the spiderverse is helped, but the damage has been done

 

[teacher]

Regardless of how many issues which ever one sold, his comment has nothing to do with OP's post. Unless he's trying to say it's ok for black people to portrayed as c00ns as long as it's popular.

Did you read Sam Wilson CA? Nick Spencer IMO is proof that white males can comprehend the nuance of neo-racism. They just choose to stay on code.

 

[Primetime]

Finally someone addressing the thread topic. thanks breh.
IN before one of them nikkas say bu bu bu John Stewarts comic run sold a million copies. So that makes it ok to c00n.
But yeah i notice as soon as they give creative control of these characters to black writers they instantly become more relateable.

Imagine if they gave T'Challa bleached mike jackson skin and said "bu bu bu vitiligo is a side effect from the mystic heart-shaped herb ". White folks can justify anything if you allow enough time to pass. which is why you need more black folks behind the scenes from jump to mitigate shyt early. Granted that's not all white folks, i'm talking more so editorial and the "machine" that enables the shyts. Al Ewing is an example of a white writer that puts in pretty good work. Pretty much revived Blue Marvel, even if i don't love everything he's done with the character.

Regarding black writers, It's telling that altho Stan/Jack created BP, the mainstream version ppl love is based on the revamp by a black man 20 years ago, and coincidentally Shuri, Nakia, Okoye were all created by black writers too. Hell, i can't stand Ta-Nehisi Coates' BP run but Storm fans love that shyt bc she gets treated better there than she has the last 20 years of x-books, or not since claremont's xtreme x-men lol. Which is ironic since they hated the bp marriage thinking grass was greener on the other side. Granted, I hated that ish too bc she took time away from BP's supporting characters while bringing nothing but baggage and mjpls bs from the x-side.

 

[Devilinurear]

NightHawk IS the GOAT black superhero.
There is NO other answer.

My nikka was murkin off crooked cops.
That "Hate Makes Hate" story is a MUST READ if youre black.

You mean from squadron supreme? A white writer taking angry black man stereotype to an extreme. Also nighthawk is just marvel batman.

 

[TNC]

I mean... 60-70 years ago a bunch of white folks decided to make some superhero comics and since it was a bunch of white writers and white artists and white editors in a white country where blacks had no rights... the majority of every hero archetype was made for a white man... aquaman, superman, batman, flash, spider-man, the OG 5 x-men (cyclops, beast, iceman, angel, jean), ironman, fantastic four, captain america, etc etc

So 60-70 years later, two things happened:

1. the niche comic book industry never evolved and the same stories about the same white heroes largely continued on for the same all-white niche demographic from 60-70 years ago.

2. mainstream audiences diversified and expanded. After 60-70 years of Muhammad Ali to Jordan to Lebron, and Hendrix to Prince, Jackson, 'Pac, Jay Z, etc, and Eddie Murphy, to Snipes, Denzel, Will Smith, etc.. it was undeniable how much money the not-a-white-guy archetype could generate across all demographics in the major industries.

So the problem with comics is that Marvel/DC inherently came from a foundation, with some exceptions, and never truly evolved, often choosing the lazy path when it came to black n brown characters (legacy characters, or some very flawed "original" concept like Cyborg).

So now that comics are the source material for major industries, you see more race and gender-bending in movies/tv to cater to the mainstream (to maximize profit) bc the niche comic market never did it's job in diversifying their characters.

Let's not pass judgement of the industry as a whole. Stan Lee the Gawd, he was a pioneer for black character and comics. Stan would have made Batman Black.

 

[BXKingPin82]

You mean from squadron supreme? A white writer taking angry black man stereotype to an extreme. Also nighthawk is just marvel batman.

Your post doesnt change my stance.
:noreha:

 

[Primetime]

Let's not pass judgement of the industry as a whole. Stan Lee the Gawd, he was a pioneer for black character and comics. Stan would have made Batman Black.

Nah I done passed judgement

Stan cool tho, far as I've heard

Well, I heard he was a dikk to Jack Kirby, but Jew on Jew violence is outside the scope of this thread

 

[Devilinurear]

Your post doesnt change my stance.
:noreha:

It should unless you don't agree with the premise of this thread.

 

[BlackFruitPunch]

NightHawk IS the GOAT black superhero.
There is NO other answer.

My nikka was murkin off crooked cops.
That "Hate Makes Hate" story is a MUST READ if youre black.

Loved that book, only lasted 5 issues though.