Passing the torch to Black heroes is part of the white supremacist lineage of reconciling servitude

[Primetime]

I mean... 60-70 years ago a bunch of white folks decided to make some superhero comics and since it was a bunch of white writers and white artists and white editors in a white country where blacks had no rights... the majority of every hero archetype was made for a white man... aquaman, superman, batman, flash, spider-man, the OG 5 x-men (cyclops, beast, iceman, angel, jean), ironman, fantastic four, captain america, etc etc

So 60-70 years later, two things happened:

1. the niche comic book industry never evolved and the same stories about the same white heroes largely continued on for the same all-white niche demographic from 60-70 years ago.

2. mainstream audiences diversified and expanded. After 60-70 years of Muhammad Ali to Jordan to Lebron, and Hendrix to Prince, Jackson, 'Pac, Jay Z, etc, and Eddie Murphy, to Snipes, Denzel, Will Smith, etc.. it was undeniable how much money the not-a-white-guy archetype could generate across all demographics in the major industries.

So the problem with comics is that Marvel/DC inherently came from a foundation, with some exceptions, and never truly evolved, often choosing the lazy path when it came to black n brown characters (legacy characters, or some very flawed "original" concept like Cyborg).

So now that comics are the source material for major industries, you see more race and gender-bending in movies/tv to cater to the mainstream (to maximize profit) bc the niche comic market never did it's job in diversifying their characters.

 

[nightwing2016]

Honestly, it depends on the character. I like Miles Morales so he's the exception. His powers are different from Peter Parker and he's his own person. I also like the black Wally West cause he's faster then Barry Allen and it makes more sense that he's Iris West brother. The rest of those characters suck.

The original Wally West was faster than Barry too and you’re just splitting the hairs of your choosing between brother and nephew.

Miles isn’t his own person, he is basically uncreative young peter who spams his venom blast and has had everything handed to him. Into the spider verse movie made him far more unique than the comics ever have. Hell they are barely starting to build a rogues gallery for him now

 

[teacher]

The original Wally West was faster than Barry too and you’re just splitting the hairs of your choosing between brother and nephew.

Miles isn’t his own person, he is basically uncreative young peter who spams his venom blast and has had everything handed to him. Into the spider verse movie made him far more unique than the comics ever have. Hell they are barely starting to build a rogues gallery for him now

Ahmed’s Miles run looks promising. This run makes him feel more like an urban youth of color, much more authentic, but yeah he needs some villains besides his drunk uncle and PPs leftovers.

 

[teacher]

When Sam Wilson was captain America his comic lasted 20+ issues when Sam Wilson went back to being the falcon his comic got cancelled after 7 issues.

Sam Wilson CA probably did sell more then the Falcon Series that shortly followed but Sam Wilson CA was an integral part to the Secret Empire story line so even if the series sold 2 copies an issue I think it would of made its 25 issues for the sake of the event.

 

[IVS]

Interesting. I view it as an attempt to manipulate our psyche to promote and propagate the ideas white acceptance and exceptionalism.

Its also used as a means of promoting allegiance and dictating what a black champion\hero's ideology and goals should be. And how they should align with certain agendas.


Sidenote:
Its similar to how Batman and Iron man are used to promote the idea that smart rich men, who control corporations should be able to influence, control and dictate justice and policy. And should be viewed are heroes. In the case of Batman he operates mainly on a local level with his control of Gotham City, though much like ironman, his company is very much in the weapons, security and defense world. For Ironman he operates on an international level, as a arms dealer and has reach to the highest levels of government and shadow government.

We overlook the fact that batman is a mentally ill man, who joined a terrorist cult in the far east, and his cult manufactures terrorism so he can appear to be a heroic.

Even when you examine the Bane Dark Knight movie its about anarchy and how Gotham would crumble if the Elite were removed from power...though the whole plan is fashioned by Batman's cult mainly as a psyop against the people Gotham, so the wealthy could remain in power. He is there to represent anarchy, and batman order. Ordo ab Chao

We overlook that Tony Stark is a selfish megalomaniac alcoholic pyschopath who made himself into a weapon, so HE could save the world.

We overlook the fact that these wealthy corporatists are using STEM to make themselves into "heros" and become vigilantes, and not using it to truly improve the QoL of the people they claim they wish to protect.

It so interesting....Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark wealth and "genius" make them exceptional. The fact they are worshipped as heroes is a testimony to the effectiveness of propaganda, and the importance of framing and controlling the narrative

 

[mson]

Honestly, it depends on the character. I like Miles Morales so he's the exception. His powers are different from Peter Parker and he's his own person. I also like the black Wally West cause he's faster then Barry Allen and it makes more sense that he's Iris West brother. The rest of those characters suck.

How are his powers different?

 

[Devilinurear]

I agree actually, i always favored the black heroes who stand on their own over the ones who are just black versions of the white heroes.

Luke Cage >>>> Black Peter Parker AKA Mile Morales
Black Panther >>>>> Black Iron Man AKA War Machine
etc
Falcon is better off being Falcon instead of Black Captain America.

I always hated that. If you want black heroes give them their own history, don't have them adopt another heroes history.

If you want a black character create a black character. or at least like with Nick Fury recreate the character entirely.

A lot of these heroes are created by white people your namesake included.

 

[Luke Cage]

A lot of these heroes are created by white people your namesake included.

Yes

but that's not what i'm talking about. I'm talking about how black people are represented and portrayed in the narratives.
Luke Cage is written as a black man who is proud to be black. Falcon is written as black man who worships a white man.


The point you made doesn't address this.

 

[Luke Cage]

Sam Wilson CA probably did sell more then the Falcon Series that shortly followed but Sam Wilson CA was an integral part to the Secret Empire story line so even if the series sold 2 copies an issue I think it would of made its 25 issues for the sake of the event.

Regardless of how many issues which ever one sold, his comment has nothing to do with OP's post. Unless he's trying to say it's ok for black people to portrayed as c00ns as long as it's popular.

 

[Devilinurear]

Yes

but that's not what i'm talking about. I'm talking about how black people are represented and portrayed in the narratives.
Luke Cage is written as a black man who is proud to be black. Falcon is written as black man who worships a white man.


The point you made doesn't address this.

Depends on the writer. Bedis is the only reason luke cage is where he is in comic books. He liked him and elevated him. I think because he adopted black children. Now I can't speak on falcon but his history was fukked up for a while before Mark started writing him.

 

[Black Bolt]

How are his powers different?

Invisibility/camouflage, electrostatic shock

 

[BXKingPin82]

NightHawk IS the GOAT black superhero.
There is NO other answer.

My nikka was murkin off crooked cops.
That "Hate Makes Hate" story is a MUST READ if youre black.

 

[BXKingPin82]

Oh and Sam Wilson Captain America was dope as fukk!!!

 

[Zero]

That url :dayum:

 

[BXKingPin82]

Ahmed’s Miles run looks promising. This run makes him feel more like an urban youth of color, much more authentic, but yeah he needs some villains besides his drunk uncle and PPs leftovers.

Word.
His design now even comes off as more urban.
Im still up and down with this muthafukkas shyt tho.