Pacquiao vs Mayweather Official Thread...May 2nd!!!

[krackdagawd]

These fighters on IVs are they gaining weight N rehydrating or losing weight like DLH?? ....you know damn well if a nikka you bout to fight lost weight from the day of weigh ins hes Food

Where is this weight loss you talking friend

Do I see why its at 152 yes of course Floyd is a 36 yr old WW fighting a 22 yr old JMW who on fight night weighs 170

So you see it here but you dont' see it when Manny whose previous fight before Oscar was at lightweight

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Where is this weight loss you talking friend





So you see it here but you dont' see it when Manny whose previous fight before Oscar was at lightweight

I never said Manny shouldn't of fought DLH at 147...DLH is a fukking dumbass N did that to himself

What I said was I do not hold that W in high regard because DLH was obviously drained...obviously not healthy

 

[Newzz]

Floyd isn't placing blame on Manny for "making" them fight at a certain weight, he's simply stating that he fought Oscar and Cotto at their natural weights at 154 and Manny didn't regardless of WHY. I don't see what the big deal is. Canelo SAID himself that he would fight Floyd at a catch weight to make the fight happen, so the same way Oscar and Cotto take the blame for coming in under weight, why isn't Canelo held to the same standards? Floyd didn't make him come in at 152, he didn't have to take the fight. Now the Marquez fight was all Floyds fault, bottom line, no excuses.

Canelo has taken the blame, said he felt drained, that he would never fight at a weight below his division max again (which since fighting Floyd, he's weighed in at 155 both times), and is calling out Floyd again for a rematch....but only at the full Junior Middleweight Limit


The weight was a huge issue before the fight as well for Canelo, but he went along with it in order to make the fight which he now refuses to ever do again:

LAS VEGAS -- Saul "Canelo" Alvarez bristled Tuesday at comments from the Floyd Mayweather camp that the 152-pound limit for their fight was his team's idea.

Later, the CEO of Mayweather's promotional company unapologetically countered that, yes, Alvarez intentionally was placed at a disadvantage and will have to cope with it in Saturday's super welterweight megafight.

Leonard Ellerbe has called Alvarez's management "idiots" for proposing the weight limit, which is two pounds beneath the actual division limit for the 154-pound titles which Mayweather and Alvarez will unify at MGM Grand.

Alvarez, who said he already was at "153, 154," said it was ridiculous to suggest 152 pounds was his idea.

"Why would I give up weight? I'm at 154. I'm the 154-pound champion," Alvarez said. "I've got the size. Why would I give up weight? I wouldn't volunteer just to give up weight.

"But when the negotiations started, they wanted me to go to (147), and I said that's physically impossible, I can't do it. And then, they inched up to 150 and I said impossible, I can't do it, those days are over, I can't make that weight anymore, I've grown. And then they went up to 151."

Finally, Alvarez said, he did offer to go to 152 so the fight could be finalized.

"I'm the one that made the decision to go to 152," he said.

Ellerbe, in a criticism uncommon for him, lashed out at Alvarez's management for offering to cut weight during Showtime's "All-Access" advance programming.

"This is business at the end of the day," Ellerbe said. "If he put himself out there like that, we're going to hold his feet to the fire."

Last year, when Mayweather fought Miguel Cotto at the full 154-pound limit, he said he didn't want a catch weight because he didn't want his opponent to be weakened or have any built-in excuses.

But he is doing exactly that against Alvarez, and Ellerbe said future Mayweather opponents shouldn't expect any better treatment in pre-fight negotiations.

"What it comes down to is he who is on the A-side, he's the one that controls it," Ellerbe said. "That's what being the A-side is, about having leverage. And that's all it is. Listen, we're always going to put every opponent at a disadvantage. That's what's going to happen because Floyd has earned the right to do that.

"We were in that same situation when we fought Oscar (De La Hoya) in 2007 (at 154 pounds, a weight at which Mayweather never had fought). It's no different. And Sugar Ray Leonard was in the same situation with Marvin Hagler (when they fought at Hagler's middleweight limit and Leonard scored a historic 1987 upset). That's what happens when you're on the A-side."

Alvarez said the terms he agreed to weren't the most egregious proposed by the Mayweather camp.

Not only were lighter weights discussed, but Alvarez said the Mayweather camp wanted a day-of-fight weigh-in, after the Friday weigh-in, with a limit on how much weight the fighters could gain overnight.

Alvarez, who could enter the ring at 170 pounds or so by Saturday night, refused.

He said the Mayweather camp attempted to force him into a gag order about the weight but said Ellerbe's criticisms angered him.

"That's why we didn't say anything," Alvarez said. "We haven't said anything, until now. But it's not right that they're lying and that's why I'm speaking out now."

In 2009, Mayweather agreed to fight Juan Manuel Marquez at a 144-pound catch weight but couldn't make it. Mayweather weighed 146 and paid Marquez a $600,000 penalty -- $300,000 per pound, as outlined in their non-title fight contract.

The Mayweather and Alvarez camps are prohibited by contract from disclosing Saturday's per-pound penalty, which is speculated to be as much as $1 million.

"We have a clause, we can't say," Alvarez said.

"It's a lot -- a lot," Ellerbe said.

Alvarez said he wouldn't pay the penalty just to come in at a more comfortable weight, like Mayweather did against Marquez.

"No, I'm a responsible person," he said.

Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, which promotes Alvarez, said too much is being made out of the weight limit.

Mayweather agreed.

"The promoter just did his job," Mayweather said. "He got his fighter the fight. He's making his biggest pay day. Hats off to the promoter, he did a tremendous job."

Alvarez, however, insisted the idea of fighting at less than 154 pounds never was his.

"I didn't want to give up weight but I had to, to make this fight. And that's why I agreed to it."


http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2013/09/floyd_mayweather_saul_canelo_a_3.html

They knew what they were doing....draining Canelo. Ellerbe admitted it, and we all know now that Schaefer was looking out for the best interest of Floyd and Haymon, not "his fighter" who was supposed to have been Canelo.

I'm pretty sure DLH wouldn't have went for it if he wasn't in rehab and was clean like he is now

 

[Jello Biafra]

ok when has pac beatany boxer bigger than him? i'll wait

 

[krackdagawd]

I never said Manny shouldn't of fought DLH at 147...DLH is a fukking dumbass N did that to himself

What I said was I do not hold that W in high regard because DLH was obviously drained...obviously not healthy

I wish the build up to this fight wasn't so struggle so we don't gotta be in here arguing over old shyt

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

We talking bout tennis now?

Ey i buss my federer guns to cripple sons

I apologise though

 

[Newzz]

What I said was I do not hold that W in high regard because DLH was obviously drained...obviously not healthy

You blamed it on Oscar losing weight which never happened

So zombie DLH who weighed 145 ON FIGHT NIGHT strapped to an IV against

DLH lost weight the day of the fight N was strapped to an IV

Lose weight on fight night while strapped up to an IV erryday B

145 pounds on fight night hooked up to an IV

Right cuz its hard work knocking out a Fighter who loses weight after the weigh in... while on IVs all day leading up to the fight

These fighters on IVs are they gaining weight N rehydrating or losing weight like DLH?? ....you know damn well if a nikka you bout to fight lost weight from the day of weigh ins hes Food

You whole argument was based STRONGLY upon the fact DLH was "a zombie" and lost weight overnight and was using IVs....that's why Floyd's victory was more impressive as shown here in exhibits A, B, C, D, E, and F

Now that @krackdagawd posted the fight night weights it's, "What I said was I do not hold that W in high regards"

Bu-bu-but, I thought he lost weight?


You discredited Pacquiao's W, in comparision to Floyd's, simply off the fact you believed DLH lost weight.

 

[Los!]

Damn this nikka Floyd got 10 sparring partners Zab Judah and Chop Corley included

 

[Black_Jesus]

difference of opinion i guess then bro
oscar got to fight floyd at 154 which is natural weight
picked floyds gloves, made the ring smaller, make floyd come up
these things matter in a boxing fight
u expect floyd to look his best when he got heavyweight gloves on is a smaller than normal ring and at a weight he never fought before
and even with dat he still whooped his ass
a old man like oscar coming down to 147 for the first time in like 10 years puts him at a distinct disadvantage no matter how you dress it up
even if oscar wanted to be super man and take a risk, he was still at more disadvantages in that fight then he was in the fight vs floyd
i dont understand how this is even a debate
moving up in weight is easier than moving down
oscar came to into the fight looking like this

they was also a rehydration clause in the fight for gods sake
he couldnt even rhydrate past a certain way
he was a deadman

even though oscar was the A-side, he made a lot of concessions for pacquaio
i'm sure theres more to that story




and like i said already, canelo got nothing to do with this situation

floyd is explaiing why his victories over COTTO And DELA HOYA are more impressive then pacquaios victories over them
pacquaio catchweighted both of em
floyd went up to their weight class for both of em
floyd fought better versions of them

nikkas still regurgitating this LIE about nikkas not allowed to rehydrate ... Prove it right now or im negging you bytch nikka... Matter of fact just hold this until you show proof

 

[Newzz]

Damn this nikka Floyd got 10 sparring partners Zab Judah and Chop Corley included

He's been knocking them out too

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

You blamed it on Oscar losing weight which never happened











You whole argument was based STRONGLY upon the fact DLH was "a zombie" and lost weight overnight and was using IVs....that's why Floyd's victory was more impressive as shown here in exhibits A, B, C, D, E, and F

Now that @krackdagawd posted the fight night weights it's, "What I said was I do not hold that W in high regards"

Bu-bu-but, I thought he lost weight?


You discredited Pacquiao's W, in comparision to Floyd's, simply off the fact you believed DLH lost weight.

Right cuz healthy fighters gain 2 pounds from weigh ins to fight night

I made a mistake I rememberd jus DLH weighing 145 N 147

My argument was DLH losing weight or him being drained?? The nikka was a zombie at 147...me mistaking the weight changes nothinh at all... errybody N they mother knows DLH was drained N not healthy...so what's your point??

 

[spencerforhire]

Damn this nikka Floyd got 10 sparring partners Zab Judah and Chop Corley included

Manny is "easy work" "one-dimensional" "one trick pony" yet you need 10 fukken sparring partners?

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Damn this nikka Floyd got 10 sparring partners Zab Judah and Chop Corley included

Because they damm near bust his ass

 

[Los!]

Because they damm near bust his ass

 

[spencerforhire]

Because they damm near bust his ass

yall remember Emmanual Burton? They don't mention him that much. But he was the first one to make Floyd look human in the ring. Floyd said it himself he had to dig deep.