Oshay Duke Jackson ethers the White Queen of the Manosphere for anti-Black racism!

Ish Gibor

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This thread has branched off into different relevant topic:russ:

Most notably nikkas gotta look into the Thomas Sowell pipeline because look at how many of these people invoke his name and talk about how he "opened their eyes". Look at how many of them quote Sowell religiously. I was sleep on how ubiquitous he is.
I'd rather see it as growth of the thread from the original topic.

JPT literally has stated that she read Thomas Sowell. And it seems to be a noticible pattern with others in her lane. So, all we are doing here is identifying what's going on.
 

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Rap / Hip Hop was always a male dominated space, with a few rare exceptions with Black women sprinkled around. The women in Hip Hop were respected in conscious rap. You are confusing gangsta rap with conscious rap. And even if the conscious rappers used the b-word, it still was done in an educational way. It was focused on males and how some "females move" (no pun intended).

Women like Queen Latifah, MC Lyte, Bahamadia, Monie Love, Foxy Brown, Yo-Yo, Rah Digga, Da Brat, MC Trouble, The Conscious Daughters, Lady of Rage, Lauryn Hill, Ladybug Mecca etc... And of course the first female MC MC Sha-Rock, as well as the other early female MC's from the '80s like Pebblee-Poo, Roxanne Shante, Sparky D, Lady Crush, Queen Lisa Lee, Salt n Pepa. These females were highly respected in a male dominated space. Lovely lady, Gloxina.

The shift in how females represented themselves was with Lil Kim, later in the early 2000s there was Khia with My neck, my back… From there it progressed to Nicki Minaj, and so on… That is on Black women, as heterosexual Black men in general do not listen, support and or listen to female rap.

A lil background on how we got here.

It basically started with Schoolly D, who made semi-gangsta rap songs with a jokingly twist.

"Saturday night" - Schoolly D



It basically was a pivot on Kool Moe Dee's "Go see the doctor".

Later on we had, MC Shan, Just Ice, Public Enemy with more edutainment like songs on how some females show promiscuous behavior. It was to warn teenagers. These following songs are educational...

MC Shan - Project Ho



Just Ice - Booga Bandit bytch



Public Enemy - Sophisticated bytch



Somehow this twisted when NWA came out and started to use the b-word in a different manner, but also glorified the killings of BM. They basically tried to explain "their reality", as they explained it. However, I know that most members of NWA had a different upbringing, middle class and college educated. And after that is when the gangsta rap started and all the dysfunctional behavior became rewarded. It also became progressively worse.

You don't know enough about history and rap, Hip Hop to speak of on this topic and to have this conversation with me. You basically have very basically knowledge and understanding of the topic.

A lot of these men who used to rap these things at times regret it and see how it was wrong, are now married to women and have daughters.

Lord Jamar (of Brand Nubian) - "Same Ole Girl" (feat. Prodigal Sunn)



Saigon - Promise Ring (feat. Milan Amor & Krizz Kaliko)



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“ A lot of these men who used to rap these things at times regret it and see how it was wrong, are now married to women and have daughters.“

So basically they’re like preachers who lived wild lives and cleaned it up when they exited their youth 🤔
YEA the point is plenty of negativity was pushed to young black males in the 80s-now.
Death Row—> Nelly and “Tip Drill” infamy (that college educated Black women pushed back against), up to today and Drill music

So men can push all that and then pop up and say they regret it? Then I guess the women in those spaces can do the same.

It’s all trash to me, but we aren’t going to ignore the fact that women were basically influenced by the males IN THE SPACE.

We can acknowledge that the public also gravitates to damaging images/music, but the men and women involved share equal guilt.
 

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I knew about uncle Thomas Showell for many years, prior to Jason and Kevin mentioning him. This man has said some outlandish stuff.

Can it be easily refuted? Is it a bunch of half truths? Every right wing racist is quoting him now to discredit black peoples plight now.
 

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Anybody with enough experience can spot Six a mile away. It doesn't help that she has no restraint

She'll put on a good face and say the right things, but she hasn't refined it enough to keep certain ratchet elements from slipping out. And if you make her even slightly mad you'll see a demon :mjlol: some true " :wtf: I gotta get away from this bytch" energy

She's a house of cards in a thunderstorm

Six would make a cool homegirl or even a great side chick who knows her role. But she doesn’t seem very likable over a long period of time. And when she gets mad her mouth gets nasty.

She legit could be a CEOs wife even being a single mom but I think her ratchet personality with her masculine attitude would rub most men the wrong way after 6 months to a year. She doesn’t really smile much or has that killer genuine smile that reels you in.
 

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“ A lot of these men who used to rap these things at times regret it and see how it was wrong, are now married to women and have daughters.“

So basically they’re like preachers who lived wild lives and cleaned it up when they exited their youth 🤔
YEA the point is plenty of negativity was pushed to young black males in the 80s-now.
Death Row—> Nelly and “Tip Drill” infamy (that college educated Black women pushed back against), up to today and Drill music
Ma'am, I don't listen to that type of (drill) music and I am not of the age where I am going to involve myself with that type of (drill) music. I grew up on conscious rap and Hip Hop culture. And when I listen to this genre it's not drill. I don't give two shyts about drill. Btw, Nelly doesn't represent Hip Hop music and culture. No respected Hip Hop head is going to mention Nelly or put Nelly in some list as the best of anything. The people that supported his music weren't from the Hip Hop scene. The men I spoke about weren't from the '80s. The gangsta rap I am talking about was around in the '90s, as it took over conscious rap.

Whenever I listen to modern rap it's this:



But usually I listen to styles like soulfull-house or broken-beat which came out of Neo-soul.









The women in Nelly's videos were the living and breading examples of the type of females they used to rap about in the previous generation, do you not get it?

You are absolutely clueless and don't know what you are talking about. Record labels prioritized dysfunctional behavior and that was rewarded, kinda like now with songs like WAP etc. This why you could see Megan Thee Stallion being featured in the "She Hulk" and being interviewed by Hillary and Chelsea Clinton. Although Hillary and Chelsea Clinton would't present themselves as such, by twerking in public at every opportunity they get the way Megan Thee Stallion does.

I already explained the backstory of how we got here. And you still refuse to speak on accountability for women, like a promiscuous City Girl who's having a "hot summer".

This is the guy who Nelly tried to battle, a real MC. KRS One (Knowledge Reigns Supreme Overnearly Everyone). And KRS One is one of the best on the mic ever, respected by Hip Hop heads.


"KRS One: “you're not a b!tch, you're a goddess." ('95)



Brown skin woman: “Brown skin woman, you a queen, not a hoe” ('93)



So men can push all that and then pop up and say they regret it? Then I guess the women in those spaces can do the same.
Why repeat something that has been proven not to be good? What type of illogical babble is that? And as I stated before, it was a male dominated scene. This tells that you don't know nothing about rap music and the history of Hip Hop. However, when it was male dominated the women in the scene were respected.

And of course you are not going to address that most of them have married Black women. You do know that 80% and more of Black men with wealth marry Black women, you do know that do you?

Most rap music was not even that what you claim it do be. It was gangsta rap as a sub-genre.

And yes, popping up and saying you regret it is eventually talking accountability. I wholeheartedly accept their apology.

It’s all trash to me, but we aren’t going to ignore the fact that women were basically influenced by the males IN THE SPACE.
What is all trash to you? I remember some complicit negoes back then complaining about that conscious rap. They wanted to have that party music like "top drill" and yes women too. Conscious rap has guided a lot of Black males and put them straight into Black men.

We can acknowledge that the public also gravitates to damaging images/music, but the men and women involved share equal guilt.
Actually most gangta rap was being purchased by a White audience, not Black youth. There are actually social studies done on this.


And it was conscious rappers being put under surveillance by the alphabet crew.


Paris "The Black Panther of Hip-Hop" Breaks Down PopCulture & Rap + How it Screws w/ Society & Youth”:



Wise Intelligent of Poor Righteous Teachers talks about the deliberate effort to silence positive Hip Hop and the subsequent effect on the Black Community



It's funny how we end here, since JPT was doing rap reviews. lol

And I almost forgot this song by Adina Howard where she barked like a dog in heat (…). This was before all the other songs and before Nelly.

 
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Can it be easily refuted? Is it a bunch of half truths? Every right wing racist is quoting him now to discredit black peoples plight now.
It's a mixed bag of half truths. I once posted on his YT page to challenge him, but he didn't respond.
 

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I haven’t read his books. Can you post a few responses on here to some of his claims?
It was mainly about his claim that the transatlantic slave trade was not about race. And was not racialized according to him. That's utter nonsense as we know. He also rejects the fact that it as Haiti who first put an end to slave the trade in the western hemisphere in the new world. This is how we have all this misinformation being spread around.

"The Haitian Revolution has often been described as the largest and most successful slave rebellion in the Western Hemisphere. Slaves initiated the rebellion in 1791 and by 1803 they had succeeded in ending not just slavery but French control over the colony.”
 
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In addition to this, divestors/swirlers often have a background in prostitution.


True, but some individuals defended her and started to ride for her. This is why we see a split in the Blackmanosphere, between men who still support her, used to support her and never supported.

I never understood why anyone would want any advice from some 26 year old white girl from a State with barely any Black people in it. A girl who only started in interact with some Black people at a much later age. A white girl who has no commonalty, no interest in Black history and Black culture, as we have witnessed. And she's a far below average at best looking woman as well. On top of that she has been lying about her family background, because she does come from a ratchet family.

Not only is this comical, but also dumb.


From what I've heard this is correct that she blew up. But where is the evidence that she spoke on RedPill content at the time? Why was listing to her, that made her so legit? From what I know TikTok is a platform mostly watched by teenagers.

And has she ever spoken of the Kerner Report, the GI Bill, The House In the Rule Act, Mass Incarcerations etc. These things are at the root cause to Black men Black women relationships, and it has nothing to do with RedPill or MGTOW. It has to do with socioeconomic issues, the demonization and marginalization of the Black community.

Some also try to push this under the banner of "western relationship problems"? As if all other groups had these similar.

I mean if she was that knowledgeably, she would have been able to put all these things together I mentioned prior. In all reality she's a lily white girl who came from a lily white world. That's all she knew.

From what I heard …. her content on TikTok and YouTube shorts wasn’t about red pill, nor any type of relationship talk
i’m only assuming she saw the rise phenom of Kevin Samuels and decided to make content similar
she may very well be she is transitioning into content into more of political form by interviewing an known racist/white supremacists add the fact that somebody mentioned her management is the same staff who does Candace Owens


at the end of the day is really disappointing as a BM for nikkaz giving her a pass
 

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Nah, she sold ass back in day, like 10+ years ago.. The salon stuff is more recent and used to be typical retirement for an "old hoe" (its a young person game and they age like runningbacks)
Where was she doing these activities? In a club or clubs…?
 

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In addition to this, divestors/swirlers often have a background in prostitution.
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Contrary to what y’all men think, NO you can’t talk to women the way you talk to men. The women watching and participating in the manosphere are either wholly male-identified or have a trauma response to this shyt and get off on being yelled at or watching other BW get yelled at.

The spaces I watch are soft, and girly and properly explain what some women have gotten wrong— mainly because they come from homes that didn’t guide them.

:mjlol: And this is why KS was so successful. Soft and girly don't get you nowhere with them. When our community was run properly, there was fire and brimstone. No other group coddles their miscreants like we do, bw in particular.

I also find it interesting that the most hardened, aggressive, will-fight-you-in-the-street, ass bytches demand that their reprimands come wrapped in tissue paper. It's a ridiculous expectation.
 

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:mjlol: And this is why KS was so successful. Soft and girly don't get you nowhere with them. When our community was run properly, there was fire and brimstone. No other group coddles their miscreants like we do, bw in particular.

I also find it interesting that the most hardened, aggressive, will-fight-you-in-the-street, ass bytches demand that their reprimands come wrapped in tissue paper. It's a ridiculous expectation.

Two old documentaries, which partially explain the current conditions of the "modern woman / third wave feminist".

"1970 Black Women & Men Debate Their Relationships On TV - Pre Oprah Winfrey." The executive producer and director was Bill Greaves.



"CBS Reports: The Vanishing Family - Crisis In Black America (1986)."



This JPT happened before, back in the day. It's indeed true that history tends to repeat itself (of course never in the exact same way).

Tony Brown's Journal, Do Black Feminist Writers Victimize Black Men? Directed by Bob Morris, fl. 1972-2000; produced by Tony Brown, 1933. In Tony Brown's Journal (New York, NY: Tony Brown Productions, 1986).

Do Black Feminist Writers Victimize Black Men? Full Show - Green Gorilla



Do Black Feminist Writers Victimize Black Men: Me (Green Gorilla and Dr. T Hasan Johnson Respond.

 
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:mjlol: And this is why KS was so successful. Soft and girly don't get you nowhere with them. When our community was run properly, there was fire and brimstone. No other group coddles their miscreants like we do, bw in particular.

I also find it interesting that the most hardened, aggressive, will-fight-you-in-the-street, ass bytches demand that their reprimands come wrapped in tissue paper. It's a ridiculous expectation.
Well, I guess it’s because I’m not hard and aggressive. 🤷🏾‍♀️

Girl, I don’t know. I personally can’t take the harshness, but I guess I will say the other women I notice in the spaces I watch have a similar temperament and are receptive. Maybe they are softened before they mosey over to our side :patrice::manny:
 
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