because someone who makes 6 figures doesn't need it
Oregon voters to decide on ballot measure to give every resident $1,600 that has sparked massive opposition fundraising
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Pull Up the Roots
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Of course you're going to say this. Means testing sucks! Too many people get left out in the cold because of it. Plus, you really think people are going to jump through hoops for a tax rebate? That's just needlessly complicated. Instead of making things exclusive, we should support everyone. Truly universal policies make way more sense as they cover all bases and actually help the people who need it with as little complications as possible. And we can tax the hell out of the wealthy to fund these universal programs that they'll be able to use too. I thought you cared about American citizens?
they already do
hence the fukking oppositionWith a top rate of 9.9 percent, Oregon's state tax on individual and pass-through business income is the nation's sixth highest
Mar 5, 2024 — Oregonians pay state taxes at the highest rate in the country at 7.08%
Pull Up the Roots
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Roger king
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This is false and a right wing talking point, i have cautioned you severally against it. That income could be the difference between feeding and ensuring the lights are on for those in poverty, even if little it would be a good thing to help people that are struggling and are below the poverty line
that's why i said they should give it to poor people, you dumb fakkit
raising taxes to give money to hundreds of thousands of people who don't need it is a stupid plan
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UBI has never "been tested". giving a handful of people some free money can't possibly "fail"
how could it fail to give 200 people some money every month?i'm not even against it, i'll take free money if they wanna give it to me. but it comes from somewhere
Pull Up the Roots
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Exactly. Basic income programs, like the ones experimented with in Finland and implemented in pilot projects across the country, have shown real benefits, like reduced poverty, improved mental well-being, and economic stability without leading to inflation or discouraging work.
There was some research by SEED that showed recipients used the funds to cover basic expenses, which allowed them to pursue better job opportunities, and other studies showed that increased consumer spending can stimulate local economies. The weird fearmongering surrounding basic income are largely myths not backed by credible evidence, often created by big money interests.
SEED
The Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration (SEED) is the nation’s first mayor led guaranteed income demonstration.
www.stocktondemonstration.org
Participants reported feeling empowered and less stressed, and contributed positively to their communities.
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We send billions to foreign countries, bail out multi-million dollar corporations, but any time something is done for the average American, it's the end of the world. I swear this country is beyond saving.
I thought it was per month.
old 2020 article
Everywhere basic income has been tried, in one map
Which countries have experimented with basic income — and what were the results?
Everywhere basic income has been tried, in one map
Even before the Covid-19 pandemic, UBI was on the rise. Which countries have run basic income trials — and how did they affect employment, health, and happiness?
www.vox.com
California Program Giving $500 No-Strings-Attached Stipends Pays Off, Study Finds
Global Map of Basic Income Experiments | Stanford Basic Income Lab
This geospatial map presents UBI-related experiments, pilots, programs and policies throughout the world, some past and some ongoing, and enables the user to compare them across a range of designs and implementation features.
basicincome.stanford.edu
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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Wait 1600/person? Kids included?You telling me a family with 3 kids couldn’t use $8000.
nikka you buggin.
If it isn’t worth fighting over then why are businesses pouring money into fighting over it?
I'm thinking 1600/household.
Ok, yeah that's wayyy different. They better fight for their money.
