Prince Akeem
Its not that deep breh....
STEM bruh..stem...
Hightest ROI and 2nd highest ROI with financial aid....
@iamstr8fire @Mr Hate Coffee @The_Sheff
Hope so...Working on my Bachelors right now.
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Only 150 of 3500 U.S. Colleges Are Worth the Investment: Former Sec of Education
- Thread starter Mr Uncle Leroy
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Hope so...Working on my Bachelors right now.
iamstr8fire
Apex Predator
When it gets rough and you're staring at the last page of a test that you don't know any of the answers for just remember everybody else confused as a mf too
.It is worth it in the end breh.
Sometimes, I go out and talk to HS students about undergrad. They are impressionable minds and have ideas about what they want to major in college.
I tell them to think about the repercussions of major that you are choosing. If you want an art in painting. You need to know
what jobs may be available
what pay will be
competition
etc...
if you are satisfied with what you see, then by all means, choose that major.
But some of these majors can really be side hobbies.
You can be an artist that excels in a STEM field or some other lucrative field.
I also stress networking!
I tell them to think about the repercussions of major that you are choosing. If you want an art in painting. You need to know
what jobs may be available
what pay will be
competition
etc...
if you are satisfied with what you see, then by all means, choose that major.
But some of these majors can really be side hobbies.
You can be an artist that excels in a STEM field or some other lucrative field.I also stress networking!
The topic itself isn't played out, just the participants in the discussion because few actually address the subject instead they just take shots or stick their chests out. But that's not unique to this subject just a problem with this forum in general.
Chris B. provided a few good points but for the most part it's the usual STEM STEM STEM/basketweaving bullshyt.
By the way, where the fukk are you all meeting all these people with "worthless" degrees? I don't know any Arts, English, History, AA studies (you fukking serious) majors. I know tons of Business (various disciplines) and Education majors and a few Comm and Poli Sci majors. Some of jobs in their fields, some don't, some have no job at all. I'd like to see statistics to back up the anecdotes that college is full of students majoring in shyt like National Park Mgmt.
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
People have no passion for anything so they just settle for a piece of paper.
I can hear that to a degree, because I'm always advocating for more voices, but we've had at least 1,000 replies on this subject since the inception of this board and that MEGA thread right before ended with MMS and I going at it forever, you'd think we'd reach some sort of consensus by now. As far people majoring in bullshyt majors, that's just a cop out to blame people for a bad job market. Most of the people that I know that majored in AA studies went to top schools and got jobs (it's CAAS at Michigan (including the Caribbean, Africa, etc.). I think it makes more sense there. Other than that, it's just that people are majoring in liberal arts and the days of leaving with those degree and going to consulting positions are over. A lot of things are in play.
But the basket-weaving argument is just the usual STEM major superiority nonsense. What's annoying is people mention shyt like internships (which I did of course), but most of those are unpaid and there is a finite supply of those that do pay so it's not like everyone can go do those every summer to build up their portfolio. If businesses want more experience then they need to start more co-op partnerships or something or else you're putting those without money at a disadvantage. When I was in DC, my roommates and I were living off those cups of Ramen Noodles and canned food and walking to work because our jobs refused to subsidize us with metro cards.
All for that "prestige" and history that employers want on resumes nowadays.
i'm surprised its that high.
Exactly....and internships cost money on BOTH sides of the coin
if you're a student, you need money for:
- lodging
- food
- travel
If you're LIVING off of loans 8 months out the year, how does it make sense to take an unpaid internship? You're already taking out 30k a year. Now you're supposed to take out another 5-10 to live off of for the summer?
Nope...
College should NOT be a requirement to get a good job. That's my point.
What is the purpose of a fashion design degree?
Most of the renowned designers don't even have a college degree.
One of my friends went to a trade school as a plumber. He is making well over 6 figures now enjoying life.
Why can't we have more of those?
College has become a product. Institutions will create bullsh!t programs and call it a degree as long as you are willing to pay top dollar
So I'm still confused as to how this is the colleges fault? The college created the demand for the class?
Or is this the reality....
Past generations got gassed over what a standard education could bring. Our generation comes through, better standard of living, better quality teaching...getting into college is a piece of cake. Companies no longer look at a high school diploma as a basic necessity, now you need a bachelors. Kids getting ready to graduate see this, adapt to the job market, and apply to college.
Their expectation is that good grades + a college degree = entry into job field.
In 2000, that equation
It is now, good grades + college degree + degree in field with hiring opportunity = entry into job fieldSome understand that equation, pick majors that they hate, just to make money in life. Some understand that equation, pick majors that they like, regardless of it makes money in life. And then others fall where there grades allow them to, because you absolutely CANNOT leave college without a degree (so they say).
Now the college is accepting applicants based on test scores and factoring in race. BUT EVEN IF YOU GET ACCEPTED TO THE COLLEGE, YOU CAN'T GO IF YOU CANNOT PAY FOR IT. So who shows up? FAFSA and Sallie Mae. Once that kid gets accepted to the 140k college, the only thing stopping them is finances. Imagine what the socioeconomic outlook of higher education would be if you denied kids based on their ability to pay. The college has no reason to second guess your ability to pay. If you come up with the money and you have the right score, YOU'RE IN. And the child/parent keeps going, "I have to get a college degree. I have to get a GOOD college degree. My life is over if I don't. Look at all the statistics showing the lifetime income of college grads vs high school grads."
You can blame the schools for jacking up the individual COST of the degree. But then also blame the professors/teachers/admin staff requesting COLA's. Blame all the food suppliers, all the construction companies, everyone that builds and maintains the campus for signing contracts to profit. Blame the textbooks for overcharging to get a profit. Blame the local taxes for rising each year. Blame the state taxes for rising each year. Blame the federal taxes for changing. Blame EVERY PART OF THE EXPENSE REPORT that the college has to adjust for. But this conversation gets NOWHERE if y'all keep making bland ass statements such as "the tuition is too damn high."
KillSpray
Don't be mad
Does any business in the world have better word of mouth marketing than higher education? Really, I have to marvel at this. I sort of just pushed thru my degrees just because, but I was never an exceptional student. Nobody in their right mind would have ever suggested that maybe I should just get involved in a trade. In fact, what I didn't realize was that as a minority male, even being a slightly above mediocre student made me extremely attractive to those 2nd tier institutions looking to boost their "diversity." I couldn't really peep game til it was too late. In any case, I'm still straight, but it stings to realize all this one day, after you put your trust in the concept of higher education and guidance counselors...
Exactly....and internships cost money on BOTH sides of the coin
if you're a student, you need money for:
- lodging
- food
- travel
If you're LIVING off of loans 8 months out the year, how does it make sense to take an unpaid internship? You're already taking out 30k a year. Now you're supposed to take out another 5-10 to live off of for the summer?
So I'm still confused as to how this is the colleges fault? The college created the demand for the class?
Or is this the reality....
Past generations got gassed over what a standard education could bring. Our generation comes through, better standard of living, better quality teaching...getting into college is a piece of cake. Companies no longer look at a high school diploma as a basic necessity, now you need a bachelors. Kids getting ready to graduate see this, adapt to the job market, and apply to college.
Their expectation is that good grades + a college degree = entry into job field.
In 2000, that equation
Some understand that equation, pick majors that they hate, just to make money in life. Some understand that equation, pick majors that they like, regardless of it makes money in life. And then others fall where there grades allow them to, because you absolutely CANNOT leave college without a degree (so they say).
Now the college is accepting applicants based on test scores and factoring in race. BUT EVEN IF YOU GET ACCEPTED TO THE COLLEGE, YOU CAN'T GO IF YOU CANNOT PAY FOR IT. So who shows up? FAFSA and Sallie Mae. Once that kid gets accepted to the 140k college, the only thing stopping them is finances. Imagine what the socioeconomic outlook of higher education would be if you denied kids based on their ability to pay. The college has no reason to second guess your ability to pay. If you come up with the money and you have the right score, YOU'RE IN. And the child/parent keeps going, "I have to get a college degree. I have to get a GOOD college degree. My life is over if I don't. Look at all the statistics showing the lifetime income of college grads vs high school grads."
You can blame the schools for jacking up the individual COST of the degree. But then also blame the professors/teachers/admin staff requesting COLA's. Blame all the food suppliers, all the construction companies, everyone that builds and maintains the campus for signing contracts to profit. Blame the textbooks for overcharging to get a profit. Blame the local taxes for rising each year. Blame the state taxes for rising each year. Blame the federal taxes for changing. Blame EVERY PART OF THE EXPENSE REPORT that the college has to adjust for. But this conversation gets NOWHERE if y'all keep making bland ass statements such as "the tuition is too damn high."
I'm not blaming the colleges..They will sell you any degree as long as you are willing to pay :obama3:
pot painting? That would be around 20K a year plus 2K worth of books
They are selling a product, all they care about is profit. Which should not be the main focus when it comes to education people.
KillSpray
Don't be mad
Plus I can't tell you how many times I've seen OGs in business have the 
reaction to young graduates. It seems to be a running joke that no one can do anything with these kids the universities are churning out.
It's really a major fail for the whole society, especially those kids trying to be the first college graduate in their family without proper guidance. They're drop out cousins looking at them like
reaction to young graduates. It seems to be a running joke that no one can do anything with these kids the universities are churning out.It's really a major fail for the whole society, especially those kids trying to be the first college graduate in their family without proper guidance. They're drop out cousins looking at them like
Mr Hate Coffee
Veteran
STEM bruh..stem...
Hightest ROI and 2nd highest ROI with financial aid....
@iamstr8fire @Mr Hate Coffee @The_Sheff
You already know breh.
Now I need to find a similar list for business school.
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You already know breh.
Now I need to find a similar list for business school.
I think its only okay to do the whole "Liberal Arts" thing if you are at a community college....
Like me for example, Im going to graduate in August with my associates in "Liberal Arts and Sciences" with an emphasis in "Math.
Yeah ive taken the basic liberal arts type classes.....but unlike something like a Art history major
Ive actually taken classes like General Physics...
Calc 1 and 2....General Physics and Gen Chem I and Gen Chem II
But then when i start going for the bachelors in Electrical Engineering in fall semester 2013......its gonna be on
Now a question for you........a little off topic but what field right now do you think is one of the best to find the wifeys who aren't smuts?
I get a vibe from the business field
