One Thing People Forget About The Kennedy Assassination...

[WaveGang]

heard rumours of the same shooter being used for the mlk hit

 

[Type Username Here]

I think a lot of Marines could make that shot, but it isn't the actual shot that is the hardest, it's the weight of the situation. You have to have nerves of steel to remain calm in a situation of that magnitude. You can fall back on muscle memory, training, and skill for the shot but the real test comes in keeping your heart from popping out of your chest.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I think a lot of Marines could make that shot, but it isn't the actual shot that is the hardest, it's the weight of the situation. You have to have nerves of steel to remain calm in a situation of that magnitude. You can fall back on muscle memory, training, and skill for the shot but the real test comes in keeping your heart from popping out of your chest.

QFT.​

 

[Won Won]

250 feet is "master level sniping" now?

Please avoid the list of longest confirmed kills, because the distances will make you believe in witchcraft

 

[Type Username Here]

250 feet is "master level sniping" now?

Please avoid the list of longest confirmed kills, because the distances will make you believe in witchcraft

The distance isn't always the be-all and end-all of sniping though. I'd argue that the target in question makes this an extremely difficult shot. You have the be extremely trained to remain calm enough to make this shot. He's not shooting some soldier or even some general, he's shooting arguably one of the most powerful and we'll known people on the planet. A lot of people may technically be able to hit the target in the scenario, but not a lot of people have what it takes to do that to the President of the most powerful country in the world. So I would argue that it is a form of mastery.

 

[the cool]

250 feet is "master level sniping" now?

Please avoid the list of longest confirmed kills, because the distances will make you believe in witchcraft

250 feet is not master level sniping


250 feet with a moving target is

 

[Won Won]

The distance isn't always the be-all and end-all of sniping though. I'd argue that the target in question makes this an extremely difficult shot. You have the be extremely trained to remain calm enough to make this shot. He's not shooting some soldier or even some general, he's shooting arguably one of the most powerful and we'll known people on the planet. A lot of people may technically be able to hit the target in the scenario, but not a lot of people have what it takes to do that to the President of the most powerful country in the world. So I would argue that it is a form of mastery.

Eh, not really buying the "omg President" angle

 

[Type Username Here]

Eh, not really buying the "omg President" angle

You don't have to buy it. I'm telling you how it is because this is common sense friend.

 

[Type Username Here]

250 feet is not master level sniping
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250 feet with a moving target is

No, not really. While the car is moving and subsequently aiming for the head are difficult shots, they are not technically impossible shots. A lot of Marines could make this shot.

What makes it exponentially more difficult is the target in question and knowing that once it has been done your life as you know it is done.

 

[Won Won]

250 feet is not master level sniping


250 feet with a moving target is

This isn't hitting a car on the freeway though. How fast was the motorcade going? 15 mph?

 

[Won Won]

You don't have to buy it. I'm telling you how it is because this is common sense friend.

Shooting at presidents isn't common sense. If you've reached that point in your brain, I think nerves are the least of your concern

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

250 feet is not master level sniping


250 feet with a moving target is

To qualify as a Marksman, we were required to hit a combination of stationary sihouettes and 'pop-up' targets that were only available for a matter of 2-3 seconds at a range between 50 and 500 yds.

The limo was travelling in a relatively straight line at a slow speed which made it possible to lead the target without much of an issue.

Killing another human being is what makes the shot anything more than just another round down-range.
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[the cool]

This isn't hitting a car on the freeway though. How fast was the motorcade going? 15 mph?

he was going 33 mph at the time of the head shot.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

he was going 33 mph at the time of the head shot.

The only data suggests that speeds were between 25 and 30 MPH, but this was right after they made a turn, so the speed was more likely to be about 10-15 MPH. Also, it was in a relatively straight line away from the Repository and the driver actually slowed down and stopped after the first shot......

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-UPI's Four Days (1964), p. 17---In the right hand picture [a frame from the Muchmore film], the driver slams on the brakes and the police escort pulls up."
-Newsweek, 12/2/63, p. 2---"For a chaotic moment, the motorcade ground to an uncertain halt."

-Time, 11/29/63, p. 23---"There was a shocking momentary stillness, a frozen tableau."

-Case Closed by Gerald Posner (1993), p. 234---"Incredibly, Greer, sensing that something was wrong in the back of the car, slowed the vehicle to almost a standstill."
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-Gerald Posner, with Dan Rather, on CBS' "Who Killed JFK: The Final Chapter?", 11/19/93---By turning around the second time and looking at JFK as the car slows down, Posner says that "What he [Greer] has done is inadvertantly given Oswald the easiest of the three shots."

1) Houston Chronicle Reporter Bo Byers (rode in White House Press Bus)---twice stated that the Presidential Limousine "almost came to a stop, a dead stop"; in fact, he has had nightmares about this. [C-SPAN, 11/20/93, "Journalists Remember The Kennedy Assassination"; see also the 1/94 Fourth Decade: article by Sheldon Inkol];

2) ABC Reporter Bob Clark (rode in the National Press Pool Car)---Reported on the air that the limousine stopped on Elm Street during the shooting [WFAA/ ABC, 11/22/63];

3) UPI White House Reporter Merriman Smith (rode in the same car as Clark, above)---"The President's car, possibly as much as 150 or 200 yards ahead, seemed to falter briefly" [UPI story, 11/23/63, as reported in Four Days, UPI, p. 32];

4) DPD motorcycle officer James W. Courson (one of two mid-motorcade motorcycles)--"The limousine came to a stop and Mrs. Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner at Elm. Then the Secret Service agent [Clint Hill] helped push her back into the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed." [No More Silence by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 129];

 

[Won Won]

he was going 33 mph at the time of the head shot.

Link?

All I see are 10, 11, less than 20 mph