One more Chip, still 5 rings: Official 49ers 2016 Offseason Thread

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Damn i hope this isnt true. Yall remember in the 1st half of the AZ game in 2014 when the 49ers were running up tempo they were killing the cards. That was one of Kaps best games that year.

I want to see what Kap can do under Chip. And im actually excited about Gabby too. If Sanchez and Foles could put up good numbers under chip. Gabby can too.
Agreed, I think Kap can really feast in a simple, up-tempo, high-low read offense like the one Chip uses. That Zona game in 2014 is where my mind went too. Kap is just about the closest thing to Mariota that Chip could get. I would expect Gabbert to do well in this offense too.
 

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since when are maxicans good judge of characters?

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wash? what would a wipe your ass with your hand, bend it like bekham mufukka know about washing?
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chip is the type of dude who needed to be knocked back to an assistant or coordinator role before being handed a HC job again. him being hired right away does not encourage him to make any changes, just reaffirms his "i'm the hot shyt" stubbornness...i don't think he learned anything in his two weeks of unemployment. this shyt will keep our defense weak while a depleted O gets raped by the killer defenses in the NFC Best...the more i chew on this, the less i like the hire.
his ego needs to be curbed for sure- I hope Baalke can do that

the point about defense is the one Im worrying about. Chip will make our offense better, at least numerically- but will it be at expense of defense ? all the teams in our division are based off beast defenses first and built around them
no matter how good our offense is (and it wont be super amazing) we wont be a high-powered offense putting points at will. as such, we'll still need to play off our defense. I hope Baalke or Chip have enough sense to hire a good DC and delegate the job to him. Chip should only be drawing plays. So I agree with your point about Chip needing to be an OC to tone down his ego and focus only on one aspect he does well.
 

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his ego needs to be curbed for sure- I hope Baalke can do that

the point about defense is the one Im worrying about. Chip will make our offense better, at least numerically- but will it be at expense of defense ? all the teams in our division are based off beast defenses first and built around them
no matter how good our offense is (and it wont be super amazing) we wont be a high-powered offense putting points at will. as such, we'll still need to play off our defense. I hope Baalke or Chip have enough sense to hire a good DC and delegate the job to him. Chip should only be drawing plays. So I agree with your point about Chip needing to be an OC to tone down his ego and focus only on one aspect he does well.
The thing about Chip only being an OC is that he has a whole system that requires some control over player health and conditioning. The plays he draws up, and more importantly the style in which he executes them, won't be fully effective if his players aren't in prime shape. I don't have a problem with him as HC, I have a problem with him as GM.
 

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The thing about Chip only being an OC is that he has a whole system that requires some control over player health and conditioning. The plays he draws up, and more importantly the style in which he executes them, won't be fully effective if his players aren't in prime shape. I don't have a problem with him as HC, I have a problem with him as GM.
can we evaluate chip as a hc in anything non-offense based ? we know that chip knows offense. but what about other things, such as defensive input, clock management, in-game decisions, etc...he does seem sort of a guy whod you like to have as an OC, but not necessarily the guy running the whole thing.
 

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can we evaluate chip as a hc in anything non-offense based ? we know that chip knows offense. but what about other things, such as defensive input, clock management, in-game decisions, etc...he does seem sort of a guy whod you like to have as an OC, but not necessarily the guy running the whole thing.

I don't know, depending on who we have as the DC. I think we'll be fine, we have a lot youth on the defensive side of the ball and some of those guys matured nicely despite the shytty record. I don't think we'll be terrible on defense this year.
 

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can we evaluate chip as a hc in anything non-offense based ? we know that chip knows offense. but what about other things, such as defensive input, clock management, in-game decisions, etc...he does seem sort of a guy whod you like to have as an OC, but not necessarily the guy running the whole thing.
Yeah those are all legit issues to analyze as an HC, I was just saying I don't think he'd be nearly as effective as an OC unless the HC also bought into his methods. You can't have a warp speed offense and a defense getting tons of mileage without a highly conditioned team. That's where the daily hydration tests, sleep monitoring, nutrition regiments, etc come in, and those are generally decisions HCs make. Only clock management issue I'm seeing is from his rookie season. And in that video I posted earlier, he goes through defensive plays as well, so he seems to know his stuff on both sides of the ball.

Apart from Xs and Os, the main thing a HC brings to the table is a culture. The reason I don't particularly mind Chip running the whole thing as HC is that we are a pretty bare team right now. It would be different if we were an established team that had tons of vets and an ingrained culture, but we're basically starting from scratch. There's no one on the team like a Shady or a DeSean who could legitimately speak out against Chip. We got Staley and Bowman, that's about it. Everyone else is either young or expendable.
 

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Yeah those are all legit issues to analyze as an HC, I was just saying I don't think he'd be nearly as effective as an OC unless the HC also bought into his methods. You can't have a warp speed offense and a defense getting tons of mileage without a highly conditioned team. That's where the daily hydration tests, sleep monitoring, nutrition regiments, etc come in, and those are generally decisions HCs make. Only clock management issue I'm seeing is from his rookie season. And in that video I posted earlier, he goes through defensive plays as well, so he seems to know his stuff on both sides of the ball.

Apart from Xs and Os, the main thing a HC brings to the table is a culture. The reason I don't particularly mind Chip running the whole thing as HC is that we are a pretty bare team right now. It would be different if we were an established team that had tons of vets and an ingrained culture, but we're basically starting from scratch. There's no one on the team like a Shady or a DeSean who could legitimately speak out against Chip. We got Staley and Bowman, that's about it. Everyone else is either young or expendable.
this is why he needs to be an OC, you don't create and stick to running an unsustainable system, there are 53 players on the roster, not 80-100, you don't create such rigidity that there is no room to adjust when aaron donald and crew has steamrolled your qb. you don't create a system that requires the micromanagement of players lives to the point that if someone consumes bread 2.3 days prior to kickoff they can't execute 1/6th of your playbook.

you don't need to be a star or vet to feel antagonized by a HC BTW...the number of players who played under chip and throughout the league who feel "some type of way" about his "culture" speaks volumes to me. if Harbs supposedly rubbed players the wrong way, then wtf.

like i said, chip might do well in the cut for a bit prior to being handed another HC gig off bat, he's got a lot to offer, but a lot to learn as well. him being hired right away basically says - continue to run your goofy system.
 

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I keep trying to forcing myself to be in a 'glass half full' mode yet again lol. chip was more conservative in the nfl than college and hopefully the time on eagles taught him a lesson or two about humility.

right now finding a good DC is HUGE. Im hearing the eagles DC is naturally the main candidate...:scust:

the thing is, chip seemed neither great nor awful as an in-game HC. he made waves with his offense and strong-arming personnel out of town. he seems like a run-of-the-mill HC as far as running things went. when offensive input is the most you can offer, its a sign that this person is probably best suited to be an OC.

Ive had plenty of reservations with Harbs, but the man was tailored to be a HC. Chip, like Mike Martz or McDaniels seems to be better suited for an OC role.
 

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this is why he needs to be an OC, you don't create and stick to running an unsustainable system, there are 53 players on the roster, not 80-100, you don't create such rigidity that there is no room to adjust when aaron donald and crew has steamrolled your qb. you don't create a system that requires the micromanagement of players lives to the point that if someone consumes bread 2.3 days prior to kickoff they can't execute 1/6th of your playbook.
If you think his system is unsustainable, then you think he shouldn't be an OC either. The plays he calls and the system he runs requires these methods. I'm sure he can modulate the degree to which he relies on sports science, but the fundamentals of his system requires players to be in better shape than their opponents. If players are going to complain that the other teams don't ride their players as hard, then they're probably not a fit for Chip's system. A Chip Kelly offense with average conditioning and player health is going to fail.

you don't need to be a star or vet to feel antagonized by a HC BTW...the number of players who played under chip and throughout the league who feel "some type of way" about his "culture" speaks volumes to me. if Harbs supposedly rubbed players the wrong way, then wtf.
Yeah, but if QP or Acker start mouthing off because they don't want to pee in a cup every day, they can be released without much fanfare. Players bytch all the time about coaches, it's only when a superstar does it that the national media picks it up and it becomes a narrative. Who gives a fukk if our 3rd string RB doesn't like the coach, Harbaugh had the same problems with Brandon Jacobs and LaMichael James. Some dudes are in the NFL to cash a check.

like i said, chip might do well in the cut for a bit prior to being handed another HC gig off bat, he's got a lot to offer, but a lot to learn as well. him being hired right away basically says - continue to run your goofy system.
I agree that he should probably work on his interpersonal skills, because it seems like when he was given full control he cut his nose to spite his face with Mathis and DeSean. Maybe he should have taken a year off or something, but hopefully he's learned from his bumpy departure from Philly. Either way, I don't think his system is a problem. I think it's fundamentally sound. People act like he's reinventing the wheel when it's really just about volume and tempo. Makes sense to me and the results have been a success, pretty much. The revolutionary part isn't the Xs and Os, it's the conditioning of the players. Dude actually only runs a handful of plays.
 

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I keep trying to forcing myself to be in a 'glass half full' mode yet again lol. chip was more conservative in the nfl than college and hopefully the time on eagles taught him a lesson or two about humility.

right now finding a good DC is HUGE. Im hearing the eagles DC is naturally the main candidate...:scust:

the thing is, chip seemed neither great nor awful as an in-game HC. he made waves with his offense and strong-arming personnel out of town. he seems like a run-of-the-mill HC as far as running things went. when offensive input is the most you can offer, its a sign that this person is probably best suited to be an OC.

Ive had plenty of reservations with Harbs, but the man was tailored to be a HC. Chip, like Mike Martz or McDaniels seems to be better suited for an OC role.
Harbs didn't offer any defensive input and his in-game decision making wasn't the greatest. The reason he was/is a great HC is because he's a leader. He brings a distinct culture of winning to wherever he goes. Beli does the same thing, and Chip is in the mold of Beli. People forget, but Beli did the same thing Chip did when he first got to New England. The Patriots Way. It's why Beli went to bat for Chip when he got released.
 
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