On this flat earth.."Mentally been many places, but im Brooklyns own" 19-20 Brooklyn Nets thread

[NYC Rebel]

Caris did that in the biggest game of the bubble. He may have played himself into a trade. BKN is stacked at guard.

Gotta trade Spencer

 

[tremonthustler1]

20/21 Nets no trades

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Martin
Levert/Temple/Tyler Johnson?
Harris/Prince/TLC
KD/Kurucs/Chandler
Allen/DJ

Personally I trade Dinwiddie and bet it all on Levert. See what a Dinwiddie/Prince/picks package can bring me back at the PF spot. I want a dog at the PF spot to rebound and play defense but hit the open 3. I’m praying for the amnesty and Blake Griffin or someone like that.

the big issue with dealing Dinwiddie is that you really need a strong backup to Kyrie. The backup PG is almost as important as the PF for the Nets.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

I’m seeing the Nets get props all over social media. Glad Brooklyn getting their respect

 

[I AM WARHOL]

I'm praying KD comes back at 100. Trying to see what yalls squad can do

 

[Amerikan Melanin]

1. Do ya'll like Jacque Vaughn as Nets coach?
2. Do yall think BK should go for a third star?
3. Do ya'll think Deandre will start over Jared Allen

I love Vaughn as they coach but it’s up to Tsai Marks KD and Kyrie.

I think they should trade Levert only for a young star PF or SF. He’s raised the bar up to be cornerstone of a franchise if healthy. Jaren Jackson Jr, John Collins type.

Start DeAndre if it keeps the team happy or if KD demands it but I think they should try and move him in a package deal.

They gotta stand pat and see what they have until the trade deadline next season. Run it back:

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Martin
Levert/temple/Tyler Johnson
Harris/Prince/Tlc
KD//Kurucs/Claxton
Allen/DJ

I’m trying to hold onto Tyler Johnson, Jeremiah Martin and Jamal Crawford somehow.

Prince and Temple can be replaced.

this is a good problem to have being too stacked.

 

[No Homo]

1. Do ya'll like Jacque Vaughn as Nets coach?
2. Do yall think BK should go for a third star?
3. Do ya'll think Deandre will start over Jared Allen

I like Vaughn so far..Given what he's shown i would give him a shot..I think the style of play of having the players play to their strengths with the same freedom (giving Caris opportunity to post/play out the post more, encouraging guys to shoot the mid range instead of hunting for just 3s and layups, not being rigid with lineups) could appease to KD and Kyrie. Im sure he heard the rumblings those guys and the team had and it shows so far.

No need for a third star imo...A back up PF with size is the only upgrade needed..


Allen has shown in the games in the bubble that he should be the starter. There were games DJ played better as the season went on.

 

[drifter]

1. Do ya'll like Jacque Vaughn as Nets coach?
2. Do yall think BK should go for a third star?
3. Do ya'll think Deandre will start over Jared Allen

Haven't watched any bubble ball so my thoughts are from Oct-Mar

1. I don't hate him. I don't like the available list including Thibs. Not even sure why Kidd's in the topic after the first coaching stint, don't know why JVG still gets mentions when he sounds bored calling the games. Not to mention the game has had about 2-3 different facelifts since the last time he drew up a play. Either Vaughn or a fresh face like Udoka for me, so makes sense to stand pat.

2. Depends what we have to give up. Can't understand not going all in if we can still run a decent bench, you always stack the deck if you have the chance and if it makes sense. What I don't want is what the Lakers have, yeah stars matter after April but you need your bench to keep you in the game. That's the biggest reason why the Lakers will not win.

3. Yes, he will pout again if he doesn't

 

[No Homo]

Kenny would have had a heart attack playing guys that many minutes

 

[NYC Rebel]

Kenny would have had a heart attack playing guys that many minutes

The worst

 

[WesCrook]

I'm praying KD comes back at 100. Trying to see what yalls squad can do

He should. The pandemic has allowed him extra time to heal. The injury was 14 months ago at this point.

 

[drifter]

He should. The pandemic has allowed him extra time to heal. The injury was 14 months ago at this point.

I mean I'm not a doctor and never been under the knife for anything major, but that's not how injuries work, especially the achilles.

I can imagine tearing the strongest tendon in the human body would have some permanent side effects and the lack of success stories after it shows, so having extra time doesn't mean much.

That said, I got posts in this thread I still stand by. He comes back if Kyrie doesn't go down the second time. Worst case scenario he's still almost 7 feet with an unguardable shot just less athletic, cool we'll work around it. Best case he's Kevin Durant.

 

[WesCrook]

I mean I'm not a doctor and never been under the knife for anything major, but that's not how injuries work, especially the achilles.

I can imagine tearing the strongest tendon in the human body would have some permanent side effects and the lack of success stories after it shows, so having extra time doesn't mean much.

That said, I got posts in this thread I still stand by. He comes back if Kyrie doesn't go down the second time. Worst case scenario he's still almost 7 feet with an unguardable shot just less athletic, cool we'll work around it. Best case he's Kevin Durant.

You act as if KD is the first player to tear his Achilles. Many have bounced back.

They were strongly considering having KD play in the postseason before the pandemic. In this case, extra time means everything.

 

[drifter]

Many have bounced back.

Bounced back to what they were before injury? Name one besides Wilkins.

They were strongly considering having KD play in the postseason before the pandemic.

This is false.

 

[No Homo]

Bounced back to what they were before injury? Name one besides Wilkins.



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The hope is that Durant just like Wilkins is right handed and tore his right achilles. Everyone who was right handed and tore their left failed to come back the same.
I remember reading the theory on Netsdaily..let me post it

"Kevin Durant tore his right achilles, not the left. Right handed players are left foot dominant with it being significantly stronger due to more frequent usage. They leap off of their left foot(i.e. jump with left foot for right handed layups/dunks) and they use it to accelerate on 90% of their drives(left foot is used for pushing off/generating momentum when driving right). A right handed player’s first step is almost entirely reliant upon their left foot.

All of the horrific career altering injuries you’ve heard about?

Kobe, Brand, Gay, Cousins, Ewing, Matthews, Varejao, Billups, V. Leonard.

All right handed players. All tore their LEFT achilles. None of them were able to regain their explosiveness or first step because the achilles tear rendered their once dominant left-leg, which they’d relied upon throughout their basketball careers, weaker than the right.

And once compromised, trying to use the other in it’s place is akin to learning to write with your opposite hand, it’s **** impossible.

Why do you think Durant was able to walk off the court with minimal help while all of those other players struggled to even stand?(shout out to Kobe tho, shooting those free-throws was pretty damn herculean in retrospect)

But don’t take my word for it, just read quotes about Kobe post-injury

Bryant was clearly a very different player during his short-lived stint in December. Beyond the evident drop in numbers, he avoided going airborne—even when he did, he mainly launched off and landed on his healthy right foot. His agility and speed were impaired as well

Or what Elton Brand said himself

It was 50, 60, maybe 70 percent healthy," he said, "It was good enough, though. I couldn’t do a lot of the one-leg stuff, so I jumped off of two legs. I could do a lot of things on the court that weren’t too detrimental to the game or the team. It didn’t bring the level of my play down too much, I didn’t think. I had to make adjustments. It’s going to hurt your game a little bit, not being able to drive off that leg, and you lose some explosiveness, and that’s what it’s all about in the NBA."

The players that have made 100% recoveries from an achilles injury with no decline in level of play?
Dominique Wilkins, Jerebko and Darrell Arthur.
All RIGHT handed players. All tore their RIGHT achilles.

But this phenomena isn’t limited to basketball.

Virtually every professional athlete that has come back at 100% from a ruptured achilles has had 1 thing in common: Howie Kendrick, DeMaryius Thomas, Zach Britton, Jason Peters, Derrick Johnson(1st time, 2nd when he ruined his career it was the left), Michael Crabtree, Brent Grimes, Dan Marino, Terrell Suggs, Lawrence Taylor, Vince Wilfork.

Every single one of them tore their RIGHT achilles tendon. I’m not sure if there’s been one single case of someone successfully coming back 100% after tearing their left, whereas there has been significant evidence that tearing the non-dominant Achilles has had negligible impact on performance/career trajectory outside of time missed during rehabilitation. As a matter of fact, almost every single elite athlete that has torn their right achilles while they were still in or near their prime has come back even stronger the following season.

All we really can do is hope, wait and see...Like you said worst case he's still 7ft with an un-guardable shot

 

[drifter]

The hope is that Durant just like Wilkins is right handed and tore his right achilles. Everyone who was right handed and tore their left failed to come back the same.
I remember reading the theory on Netsdaily..let me post it




All we really can do is hope, wait and see...Like you said worst case he's still 7ft with an un-guardable shot

Pretty much. There's some silver lining with it but definitely nothing to brush off imo. Still expecting some slip on that first step and finding certain defensive assignments a little tricker than before. But he didn't lose the leg or 1 centimeter in height so I'm not concerned too much overall and if I'm wrong then it's even better for us.

Whatever he is I want to see it, I'm tired of speculation lol