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As a casual observer...does any of this mean Carolina will not have a basketball team next season?
 
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Tobias said:
more stuff coming out:

@dandakich: UNC Case..media and hoops folks that will want blood, major hit will be very disappointed

@dandakich: Hearing Roy Williams very convincing talking to NCAA about no knowledge of phony classes...before u kill me understand I'm always right

just had a guy who played d-line at state during the mario williams era come to my office and tell me that we're gonna get destroyed. he was so salty when i informed him of all these reports of us skating. cant wait to taste those tears
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Dan dakich was just on 610 am in Charlotte and he doubled down on this. said he has a "ridiculously good source" close to the investigation that he trusts completely.

he tweeted that stuff out before the NOA and he is standing by it.
 
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Basaglia said:
They still constitute am improper benefit to the athletes. SMH.
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you're wrong btw. read the bolded and learn to think a little more critically fool

http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...arolina-basketball-academic-scandal-ncaa-2015

After a four-year wait which felt like it spanned multiple decades, we finally have the full gauntlet of allegations the NCAA is levying against the University of North Carolina. The allegations were made public by the school on Thursday, and UNC now has until Aug. 20 to file a formal response.

The trend of everyone having to re-learn the major bullet points from this story every time something major happens (once every 5-8 months) will continue through at least the summer of 2015. If anyone is even willing to partake in that endeavor by then.

Thursday's news has officially penned the writing we should have been reading on the wall for the past four years: UNC men's basketball is not going to get hammered by the NCAA. Roy Williams isn't going anywhere, and neither are the Tar Heels' 2005 and 2009 national championship banners. The only major punishment that remains in play is a postseason ban for the potential 2015-16 preseason No. 1 Heels, and that news would elicit some not-so-mild shock at this point.

The NCAA's 59-page NOA (featuring a 732-page list of exhibits) is predictably dense and sheds little light as to what exact punishments may soon be tossed in the direction of Chapel Hill. You're more than welcome to read through it all yourself, but what isn't in the NOA is far more important than anything you'll see during that six-hour(?) adventure.

Even though "academic" and "fraud" have combined to be the headlining two-word phrase of this "scandal," the NCAA declined to investigate the allegation that over a span of 18 years, 3,100 students (47 percent of which were athletes) at UNC took advantage of African-American Studies courses. Those courses, according to the allegations, allowed the students to receive quality grades without having to show up for class, turn in papers or take tests.

The reason? This was a scam that all students benefited from, not just the athletes enrolled in the classes. There was also significant evidence that the students enrolled in these classes at least had to turn in something before being awarded a grade. Regardless of what the content of the turned in paper was, the fact that actual work had to be done makes it extremely difficult to prove academic fraud, and thus, the NCAA chose not to head down that road. So instead of academic fraud, the NCAA has chosen to describe what took place as "impermissible benefits to student-athletes that were not generally available to the student body."

The other major takeaway from the NOA is that there is zero mention of any wrongdoing by any specific athlete or coach from the UNC men's basketball or football programs. The name Roy Williams appears just once in the entire document, and that's only as a mention that he was interviewed by the NCAA.

If the NCAA was going to go after North Carolina wins or titles, it would likely have needed to make accusations that one of the Tar Heel teams over the last 18 years was playing with a specific player or specific players who should have been ineligible. There is none of that in the NOA, and now, 24 hours later, UNC is reportedly close to finalizing a contract extension for Williams. It's hard to see that as a coincidence.

The NCAA's main charge is an extremely broad cry of "lack of institutional control." Without any bombshell accusations or specific players or occurrences laid out, it's difficult to foresee the exact punishments that UNC will be hit with ... but it's far less difficult to foresee what those punishments won't be.

The fact of the matter is that everyone outside of those who dislike North Carolina men's basketball seems to want those to go away as quietly as possible. And everyone else? They really don't care all that much.

But why? Why is one of the largest and most egregious academic scandals in the history of the NCAA not more of a draw? The answer is three-fold.


The Details Aren't Salacious Enough


The one thing the 131 pages of the Wainstein report, which was released last October, didn't supply the sports public with was a hook. There wasn't one story that could be turned into an appropriately clever College GameDay sign or enough juicy tidbits to produce a "10 Most Shocking Things About the UNC Scandal" BuzzFeed post that could make its rounds on social media.

People want single stories that can become Internet memes, they want scandals that can be wholly mocked in 140 characters or less. This was never that.

The closest the Wainstein report got to providing America with the ammo it needed to keep UNC in the national spotlight of infamy was an email sent by a member of the North Carolina academic support staff to a director of football operations. The email is letting the football employee know that Deborah Crowder, the UNC employee at the center of the "paper class" scandal, had just announced her retirement.

"Ms. Crowder is retiring at the end of July . . . if the guys papers are not in . . . I would expect D's or C's at best. Most need better than that . . . ALL WORK FROM THE AFAM DEPT. MUST BE DONE AND TURNED IN ON THE LAST DAY OF CLASS."

The 46-word email is a about as juicy as the UNC scandal gets, and serves as an adequate summary of the entire Wainstein report, but it's still not sensational enough to turn a drab topic -- big-time athletes in big-time programs may not fully deserve the grades they get to stay eligible, who knew? -- into something the public wants to talk about for more than a day.

Which leads us to...


People Already Assume This Happens Everywhere


The shock that goes hand-in-hand with the UNC story is attached to the length of time and the number of people affected, not the fact that star athletes were being given grades they didn't earn. These types of stories are nothing new, especially when it comes to college basketball.

In the past two decades, Florida State, Minnesota, Georgia and Purdue have all seen their hoops programs hit with significant penalties after findings of academic misconduct. You might be aware that the Golden Gopher program has never fully recovered or you might have taken the Jim Harrick Jr. final exam when it made its rounds online, but you probably don't remember the explicit details of any of those cases.

There Is No Individual At The Heart Of This Scandal


The "everybody does it" sentiment is so widely held when it comes to academic fraud and big-time college athletics that it's almost impossible for any individual instance to shock or even register with the national public anymore. It doesn't matter that UNC athletes received a collective GPA of 3.61 in their "paper" classes and a 1.91 in their "real" ones; this isn't the type of cheating that grabs attention these days. Show us some money changing hands or a star player getting caught stealing something funny from an easily mockable location. Give us something we can turn into a joke that will make our co-workers laugh.

It's much easier for scandals to become national conversations when they have a clear jumping off point. Johnny Manziel is out there doing crazy s*ht that we don't agree with? Cool, let's talk about how he got here and whose fault it is. Texas A&M, his upbringing, the culture and policy of the NCAA -- it's all on the table.

The scandal at North Carolina always had too many branches, and they extended from too many different places. This was never solely about Roy Williams or Butch Davis or Mark Emmert or Rashad McCants (God, it would be so much easier and fun if it was), and that makes things complicated. There was always too much to talk about, and in the end, the result was a Notice of Allegations which appears to be too broad to unleash any headline-worthy penalties.

Everyone directly involved with the UNC scandal has made little attempt to hide the fact that they'd welcome any avenue that would make this whole thing go away as quickly and quietly as possible. The quickly part may have gotten sidetracked, but the quiet end that we all should have seen coming now appears to be inevitable.
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Scout's Take: ESPN 100 C Tony Bradley commits to North Carolina

ESPN 100 center Tony Bradley ended his recruitment Wednesday night when he committed to Roy Williams and North Carolina, choosing the Tar Heels over Miami, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Florida State, Kansas, NC State and Florida. Here’s a look at what type of player is headed to Chapel Hill.

Why he committed: "I am very comfortable with the coaching staff, players and style of play," Bradley said. "Everything just fit."

What he brings: The five-star center is a wide-bodied, back-to-the-basket scoring threat. Bradley has great size at 6-foot-10 and 230 pounds. He has excellent hands, touch and foot work. He can score over both shoulders and is a very good area rebounder and low post position defender.

How he fits: Bradley, the No. 26 player in the Class of 2016, will provide Williams and UNC with a go-to guy in the low post, one that can score in their four-out, one-in and box set plays. Bradley has the potential to command a double-team and will be an excellent area rebounder on both ends of the floor. Williams loves to throw the ball inside, and Bradley will be a great option to establish the Tar Heels' low post scoring when they are in the halfcourt.

Who he reminds us of: Bradley immediately brings to mind former North Carolina post Sean May, but he might be further along offensively at this stage than was May. Both are wide-body true centers with hands, touch, feel and footwork in the low post that pose a scoring threat over both shoulders, and the ability to finish through contact.

How the class is shaping up: Bradley is the first commitment in the Class of 2016, and having a five-star center in the fold gets the Tar Heels off to a tremendous start.
 
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we still using this thread?

football with a HUGE win vs GT. first one in atlanta since 1997, only the second acc opener win in the last 15 years. got wake and uva next two. could be a top 25 matchup for the coastal vs duke in 3 weeks. fedora is still a fukkboi

picked up another top 50-60 guy in brandon robinson. he caught roy's eye when we were scouting jaylen brown.

b-rob is telling people seventh is unc bound and all our insiders feel very good about it. he's gonna reach a decision in the next few days. would be shocked if he chose sc over us

lauri markannen (or as b-rob calls him "that foreign kid" love him already) just had his official. stretch 4 from finland. rivals doesnt rank foreign guys but he'd be a top 15 guy if they did. legit 1 and done candidate. we rumor to lead for him. his dad is coming with him on his ov's (us, utah, zona) and he played for roy at kansas. think he's ours to lose. would love a jawad/sean may kinda pairing with him and bradley who everyone compares to may

harry giles will be taking his official here soon as well. still a long-shot but a few insiders think there is one mystery 5 star guy waiting for the ncaa stuff to get cleared and then they pop. could be harry or bam bam. also rawles alkins just moved to durham and announced we're a finalist. he plays for that a$$hole clifton at word of god but apparently him and roy are working together unlike the fiasco that was the wall recruitment.

overall i think we end up with a class of bradley, robinson, woods, markannen and one 5 star who pops in the spring. gun to my head i say harry. if that happens, we have the #1 class easily. even if we only get those first four, it is roy's best work by far to assembly a top 5 class with all the scandal shyt

speaking of the scandal, that should be settled within a month and the coaches are not the least bit worried about it. there is a reason recruitment has been picking up recently. the writing is on the wall....

sorry for the rant just wanted to catch up any unc guy that needed it.
 
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Tobias said:
we still using this thread?

football with a HUGE win vs GT. first one in atlanta since 1997, only the second acc opener win in the last 15 years. got wake and uva next two. could be a top 25 matchup for the coastal vs duke in 3 weeks. fedora is still a fukkboi

picked up another top 50-60 guy in brandon robinson. he caught roy's eye when we were scouting jaylen brown.

b-rob is telling people seventh is unc bound and all our insiders feel very good about it. he's gonna reach a decision in the next few days. would be shocked if he chose sc over us

lauri markannen (or as b-rob calls him "that foreign kid" love him already) just had his official. stretch 4 from finland. rivals doesnt rank foreign guys but he'd be a top 15 guy if they did. legit 1 and done candidate. we rumor to lead for him. his dad is coming with him on his ov's (us, utah, zona) and he played for roy at kansas. think he's ours to lose. would love a jawad/sean may kinda pairing with him and bradley who everyone compares to may

harry giles will be taking his official here soon as well. still a long-shot but a few insiders think there is one mystery 5 star guy waiting for the ncaa stuff to get cleared and then they pop. could be harry or bam bam. also rawles alkins just moved to durham and announced we're a finalist. he plays for that a$$hole clifton at word of god but apparently him and roy are working together unlike the fiasco that was the wall recruitment.

overall i think we end up with a class of bradley, robinson, woods, markannen and one 5 star who pops in the spring. gun to my head i say harry. if that happens, we have the #1 class easily. even if we only get those first four, it is roy's best work by far to assembly a top 5 class with all the scandal shyt

speaking of the scandal, that should be settled within a month and the coaches are not the least bit worried about it. there is a reason recruitment has been picking up recently. the writing is on the wall....

sorry for the rant just wanted to catch up any unc guy that needed it.
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Robinson is a nice get for UNC. I saw him explode against the Canada Elite team for damn near 30 and stood out with both Dennis and Bam on the team. He's definitely legit. I thought the Bam recruitment was always tied to adidas and/or Dennis. I expect him to be a Wolfpack. Lauri doesn't seem to "love" UNC like he does Arizona. His dad has been pushing UNC and if it was up to his pop's, he'd be 100% UNC, but I'm hearing he's actually 'Zona's to lose. I gave up on the Harry recruitment a long time ago. It would be so nice to have Tatum and Giles on Tobacco Rd battling each other in classic UNC vs Dook games for a season, but I don't think it happens. I think he's gonna go the superteam route and team up with him in Durham. Ingram hurt my soul by picking Dook over UNC and I don't know if I can take it if Seventh spurns us too. Roy has been in on this kid early and I thought for the last 3 years I'd definitely see him in Carolina blue. Now I'm not so sure. I'm nervous about this one and I'd hate to lose a recruiting battle to Frank Martin when we've been grooming this guy since a freshman. I love what Rawle would bring to the team with his bruising style, but I think the pipeline has already been established with Wall going to UK. I expect him to commit to UK. I think Roy has already done a great job of keeping our heads above water during this scandal. Unfortunately, we're a year too late with this thing wrapping up. We had to watch the area produce Ingram, Dennis, Seventh, Giles, and Bam from the sideline with this cloud over our head. I would hate to watch all that talent come thru without at least one of them donning the Carolina blue.
 
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