Official UNC Tar Heels Thread

[Champ_KW]

Literally the reason Ian Jackson committed to UNC was because he said Hubert will give him a long leash aka he don't hold nobody accountable.

Yeah that's what it is. His parents had no say or input on who they will be handing their child over to.... just all about who won't take him outta the game.

 

[Crack Daniels]

But that's what I was alluding to with my previous post. The coaching is being nitpicked to death. In the Pitt game, you completely skipped past the senior, ACC POY candidate having the ball, up on the scoreboard, with less than a minute to go, and traveling with the ball and landed on a guy making a good shot against contested defense. In terms of games played, this is the most veteran team in UNC history. Do they really have to be micro managed all the way down to the final possession? Or should they be counted on to make plays?

It’s not nitpicking at all, that was a very basic situation that I would expect almost any coach at this level to be able to handle.

My team is up 1 with under 30 seconds left and need a stop to win the game, I should put my 5 best defenders on the court.

That’s not rocket science. Regardless of what preceded that moment, he had the opportunity to give the team a better chance to win and was either too stubborn or unaware to do so.

And regarding your question about if the team needs to be micromanaged..the answer appears to be yes. Outside of a 6 week stretch this core hasn’t done anything so I don’t know why you would continue to do the same thing in hopes that it will magically change. The players AND coaches should be better, there’s enough blame to go around

 

[Champ_KW]

It’s not nitpicking at all, that was a very basic situation that I would expect almost any coach at this level to be able to handle.

My team is up 1 with under 30 seconds left and need a stop to win the game, I should put my 5 best defenders on the court.

That’s not rocket science. Regardless of what preceded that moment, he had the opportunity to give the team a better chance to win and was either too stubborn or unaware to do so.

And regarding your question about if the team needs to be micromanaged..the answer appears to be yes. Outside of a 6 week stretch this core hasn’t done anything so I don’t know why you would continue to do the same thing in hopes that it will magically change. The players AND coaches should be better, there’s enough blame to go around

".....regardless of what preceded that moment....."
If there's enough blame to go around, you seem to make an attempt to chalk everything up to coaching instead of the actual players on the court. How many 1-17 or 2-25 from three point range games does he have to overcome with coaching? Let me guess, the reason they had zero assists in the first half last night was because he didn't sub Justin McCoy in? Forcing 1 turnover all game against NC State was because Dontrez Styles didn't eat up RJ's mins on defense, huh? At the end of the day, basketball is a make or miss game. This team is ranked in the high 300s on 3 point shooting. Show me the record or level of competition the teams surrounding them in those rankings are? Nobody can outscheme the putrid shooting of this team much better than he's done. 4 OTs with Bama, played UVA close without Mando, lead late in the 2nd half of 6 of their losses. Yet, you're finding the ultimate fault in one possession? That's nitpicking, my man.

 

[Heelmatic]

Yeah that's what it is. His parents had no say or input on who they will be handing their child over to.... just all about who won't take him outta the game.

Idk anything about his parents I’m just telling you exactly what the kid said.

 

[Crack Daniels]

".....regardless of what preceded that moment....."
If there's enough blame to go around, you seem to make an attempt to chalk everything up to coaching instead of the actual players on the court. How many 1-17 or 2-25 from three point range games does he have to overcome with coaching? Let me guess, the reason they had zero assists in the first half last night was because he didn't sub Justin McCoy in? Forcing 1 turnover all game against NC State was because Dontrez Styles didn't eat up RJ's mins on defense, huh? At the end of the day, basketball is a make or miss game. This team is ranked in the high 300s on 3 point shooting. Show me the record or level of competition the teams surrounding them in those rankings are? Nobody can outscheme the putrid shooting of this team much better than he's done. 4 OTs with Bama, played UVA close without Mando, lead late in the 2nd half of 6 of their losses. Yet, you're finding the ultimate fault in one possession? That's nitpicking, my man.

You’re purposely missing my point and doing the straw man thing so let me clear this up.

The players have sucked. The coaches have also sucked. Despite the poor shooting i don’t believe the players have been put in the best position to succeed based on the poor rotations and game management. The end.

 

[Champ_KW]

You’re purposely missing my point and doing the straw man thing so let me clear this up.

The players have sucked. The coaches have also sucked. Despite the poor shooting i don’t believe the players have been put in the best position to succeed based on the poor rotations and game management. The end.

I get what you're saying, but I think you're purposely missing what I'm saying. How is being up late in the 2nd half in most of your Ls NOT being put in a position to succeed? They were up 7 points with 4 mins left AND the ball against NC State. What better position can they be "put" in during a game where they shot 35% from the field and had 13 turnovers?

 

[Heelmatic]

I get what you're saying, but I think you're purposely missing what I'm saying. How is being up late in the 2nd half in most of your Ls NOT being put in a position to succeed? They were up 7 points with 4 mins left AND the ball against NC State. What better position can they be "put" in during a game where they shot 35% from the field and had 13 turnovers?

I think fatigue comes into play. There was no reason to play these guys 35 minutes a game in November/December. I think that plays into late game failures.

Also I think this is a very low IQ basketball team. I don't think that's on Hubert because these guys just don't listen. Roy said they weren't doing what he asked...he retired. He couldn't coach these dudes.

I think it's an equal mix of coaching and player failure.

 

[Crack Daniels]

I get what you're saying, but I think you're purposely missing what I'm saying. How is being up late in the 2nd half in most of your Ls NOT being put in a position to succeed? They were up 7 points with 4 mins left AND the ball against NC State. What better position can they be "put" in during a game where they shot 35% from the field and had 13 turnovers?

There’s validity to that. My counterpoint is these games may not be as close down the stretch if we weren’t doing the same old shyt for the first 30 minutes hoping that the outcome would be different.

It’s entirely possible the roster is too flawed and no coaching can fix it. But we’ll never know because nothing’s changed. Either way, whether it’s the chicken (players) or the egg (coaches), it’s time to move on past this era

 

[Champ_KW]

There’s validity to that. My counterpoint is these games may not be as close down the stretch if we weren’t doing the same old shyt for the first 30 minutes hoping that the outcome would be different.

It’s entirely possible the roster is too flawed and no coaching can fix it. But we’ll never know because nothing’s changed. Either way, whether it’s the chicken (players) or the egg (coaches), it’s time to move on past this era

I'm willing to say that it's the players vs the coaches. It's clear that these core players don't really fit Hubert's vision for the team. Instead of scoring/combo guards, he's gone after pure PGs in Wilcher and Cadeau. I'm willing to bet the offense will look more cohesive in the future instead of this "my turn, your turn" version we see now. Plus, there's proof that the offense works.....if you can make a shot. Last year, the offense down the stretch was a thing of beauty. And it was very multiple. How they played Baylor was completely different than how they played UCLA....which was completely different than how they played Dook. But with no outside shooting, the offense looks very similar to the offense Roy's last year, where the paint was clogged and the guards had a tough time driving. Despite being dead last in 3pt% in the ACC, this team still avg close to 80ppg.

For the most part, this team gets wide open shots at every position, which is a testament to Hubert's white board game. If there was any play indicative of how the season has gone, on Wednesday when Hubert drew up a masterful in bound play at the end of the game that gave a 6th year player a wide open dunk.....only for Leaky to blow it. It's been one of those years. I've said before, if this team made just a measly 30% of their 3's in most of their Ls, a bulk of them would've been Ws.

 

[Buck Seventy]

@CarolinaKing
@Champ_KW
@Crack Daniels
@Pressure

UNC didn't make the NCAA's. Now what?

 

[Pirius Black]

Hubert got two more years. Then throw the bag at Stackhouse and let a K-Town nikka run it

 

[MrRDU]

Such a disappointment

 

[Skooby]

@CarolinaKing
@Champ_KW
@Crack Daniels
@Pressure

UNC didn't make the NCAA's. Now what?

Focus on next year. They're not playing the NIT even though I think they should.

 

[The Villain]

fukk the NIT just go home. Tired of this wack ass team.

Hubert on the clock next season better be a banger

 

[Crack Daniels]

@CarolinaKing
@Champ_KW
@Crack Daniels
@Pressure

UNC didn't make the NCAA's. Now what?

Hopefully Caleb and Armando decide to go elsewhere so we can fully move on past this disappointing core. Reload through the portal and get a reclassification or two and next season could be interesting. Otherwise Hubert may be coaching for his job in ‘24-25