Official T E N E T Thread

[MartyMcFly]

Nolan established the rules in his Batman lore in Begins. Nolan always give people enough, but he never spoon feeds ANYONE because he knows his audience is intelligent enough on things that doesn't really need explaining. Especially you seen that Bruce is capable in walking on ice and knowing his footing for thin ice, train to be covert and able to come in undetected, and leave undetected as we've been multiple times as Batman, and shown in Begins of him traveling with no money around the world. Those things do not need explanation. All we need to know that he was able to escape the pit and you automatically knew he's going to Gotham. There's a reason why there's editing because in all films there be scenes that they have to cut because either it doesn't help push the story or runtime constraints. A movie that's already pushing 3 hrs long doesn't need an explanation of how he got in. We know he's ABLE TO that all that matters.

No that sounds weak man. The guy for two movies goes through painstaking detail for everything. And tells us it’s all real. And it’s all played real. Says everything is as if it can happen in the real world and we need to see the mechanical functions of this world. So to skip a major detail like that when he hasn’t before in either movie is glaring and lazy on his part. He could’ve added that and cut the scene of Bruce and talia together since it added nothing. Or cut that bit of Blake’s real name being robin. Like I said for a guy who always sweats the details and wants everything to be as plausible as possible, your reasoning doesn’t hold weight

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Dark Knight Rises is probably the sloppiest movie Nolan has made.

 

[d3323]

Dark knight rises was planned to be a completely different movie before ledger died, it gets a pass in my book

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

The Dark Knight Rises isn't bad at all. It's ehh in comparison to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight but it's still better than most cbm

 

[TheGodling]

Nolan always give people enough, but he never spoon feeds ANYONE because he knows his audience is intelligent enough on things that doesn't really need explaining.

Hold up... Hold up...

he never spoon feeds ANYONE

Spoiler

You are twelve ways retarded for real though.

 

[gluvnast]

Hold up... Hold up...

Spoiler

You are twelve ways retarded for real though.

Name a movie by Nolan that's spoon fed to you. And don't use Inception because Cobb was an unreliable narrator to which everything he was spewing was bullshyt. Again, as I said, Nolan always give people enough, but he never spoon feeds ANYONE because he knows his audience is intelligent.

He tells you vital information for plot purposes, but there's never a film where he outright holds your hand. Not in Following, damn sure not Memento, or Insomnia, Prestige, or any of TDK trilogy, Inception, Interstellar or Dunkirk.

 

[TheGodling]

Name a movie by Nolan that's spoon fed to you. And don't use Inception because Cobb was an unreliable narrator to which everything he was spewing was bullshyt. Again, as I said, Nolan always give people enough, but he never spoon feeds ANYONE because he knows his audience is intelligent.

He tells you vital information for plot purposes, but there's never a film where he outright holds your hand. Not in Following, damn sure not Memento, or Insomnia, Prestige, or any of TDK trilogy, Inception, Interstellar or Dunkirk.

First off, 'don't use Inception' destroys your entire argument because you basically admit that is his worst offender. And it's not even about Cobb, all the rules in Inception are over explained and then later shown to you in the exact context of the explanation. For instance Gordon-Levitt explaining the paradox staircase to Page, then it is used later on in the movie precisely as explained and Gordon-Levitt actually exclaims 'Paradox!' in the scene to remind dumb people of it.

Interstellar does the exact same thing of over explaining everything. Look at these scenes:



The speech about love is dumb enough as it is from a theoretical standpoint, that's whatever, but Cooper's monologue is so on-the-nose. He literally narrates everything that you are seeing in front of your eyes and uses the exact same wordings as Hathaway's character to remind dumb people of how smart the movie feels it is.

Don’t even get me started about Alfred's infamous Birma story in The Dark Knight, an endless and pointless monologue that exists for the sole reason to over explain to dumb people that the Joker has no motives other than 'to watch the world burn'.

Nolan doesn't treat his audiences as intelligent beings, he treats them as dumb cattle who have to be constantly reminded of how intelligent the movie they are watching is. The fact people actually fall for that shyt just proves how fukking stupid people actually are and how limited their basic comprehension skills are.

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

The Dark Knight Rises isn't bad at all. It's ehh in comparison to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight but it's still better than most cbm

I feel like TDKR is one rewrite away from being an amazing movie.

It gets saved by Tom Hardy's Bane, who up until his last scene is a dope ass character and an amazing performance. I just think the second half of the movie got rushed; which is unlike Nolan. Perhaps TDK was just so unexpectedly big that he felt forced in making and finishing this movie.

Honestly I agree that even TDKR's strong parts shyt on most comic book movies, but it takes a lot of shortcuts to get to the end.

 

[MartyMcFly]

First off, 'don't use Inception' destroys your entire argument because you basically admit that is his worst offender. And it's not even about Cobb, all the rules in Inception are over explained and then later shown to you in the exact context of the explanation. For instance Gordon-Levitt explaining the paradox staircase to Page, then it is used later on in the movie precisely as explained and Gordon-Levitt actually exclaims 'Paradox!' in the scene to remind dumb people of it.

Interstellar does the exact same thing of over explaining everything. Look at these scenes:



The speech about love is dumb enough as it is from a theoretical standpoint, that's whatever, but Cooper's monologue is so on-the-nose. He literally narrates everything that you are seeing in front of your eyes and uses the exact same wordings as Hathaway's character to remind dumb people of how smart the movie feels it is.

Don’t even get me started about Alfred's infamous Birma story in The Dark Knight, an endless and pointless monologue that exists for the sole reason to over explain to dumb people that the Joker has no motives other than 'to watch the world burn'.

Nolan doesn't treat his audiences as intelligent beings, he treats them as dumb cattle who have to be constantly reminded of how intelligent the movie they are watching is. The fact people actually fall for that shyt just proves how fukking stupid people actually are and how limited their basic comprehension skills are.

Don't agree with all of this obviously but yeah inception is all exposition. Every line of dialogue is exposition so to say he doesn't spoon feed is wrong.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

You know what else Nolan didn’t cover in the Batman movies? All those times Bruce had to take a shyt while in his suit...

 

[ORDER_66]

You know what else Nolan didn’t cover in the Batman movies? All those times Bruce had to take a shyt while in his suit...

Bruce did his thing BEFORE he went out in the suit... I mean that's your only nitpick..

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

Bruce did his thing BEFORE he went out in the suit... I mean that's your only nitpick..

I mean, if we worrying about how he got back to Gotham, we might as well wonder about his fictional bowel movements too

 

[MartyMcFly]

I mean, if we worrying about how he got back to Gotham, we might as well wonder about his fictional bowel movements too

not the same thing for obvious reasons

Point being, for a guy who doesn't skimp on big details at all, that's a big detail to just ignore for the sake of "meh"

 

[gluvnast]

Don't agree with all of this obviously but yeah inception is all exposition. Every line of dialogue is exposition so to say he doesn't spoon feed is wrong.

But Inception was exposition made by an unreliable narrator. Meaning everything that we were told was full of shyt. That's not being spoonfed. That's being intentionally misled. What was told and what happened contradicted.

 

[MartyMcFly]

But Inception was exposition made by an unreliable narrator. Meaning everything that we were told was full of shyt. That's not being spoonfed. That's being intentionally misled. What was told and what happened contradicted.

Nooo the exposition in how it all works. That's not unreliable. the only thing unreliable was Cobb saying his totem was the spinning top. But every line of dialogue from every character was exposition. Every single line damn near was telling the audience how this world works, what roles they play in the world, what a dream is, what the dreamscape looks like, and how they're getting from point A to point B. That's all spoon feeding. It doesn't matter because the movie is dope as hell but to say he didn't spoon feed anyone in that movie misses the whole movie entirely