Official Syrian Conflict Thread
In all seriousness, I admit, given that Assad has nearly re-established control of Syria and after there was talk of de-escalating, at least US military presence, and then this happens which guarantees a western military response, its strange. Not even doubting there was a chemical attack, but given the illogical purpose of the Assad government doing this and the timing, a fact finding mission to find out exactly what happened seems like a good idea before committing mentally to a particular course of action or not. As @Futuristic Eskimo laid out, Syria at this point is a fractured mess and unfortunately, even if Assad is removed, there will be death of women and children, maybe not through chemicals, and given recent history in other countries in the same situation, it may become worse.
I'm sure there are not many that may agree with me but it sounds to me given the situation, despite a chemical attack, the reality is that at this point the status quo of who should rule Syria for the possibility of stability and not deteriorate further into a decades long quagmire and mad max hellscape probably would be best to maintain by leaving Assad in power.
Its especially telling that no one can really articulate who would rule Syria after Assad. There are no names of potential leaders or potential groups. You will see a lot of inhumanity besides a chemical gas attack over a longer period if this was to happen.
thatrapsfan
Superstar
Oochie Wally or One Mic for the RT truthers? First they were claiming it was a self inflicted rebel attack, now they've got their marching orders that it never happened.
thatrapsfan
Superstar
Youve been radicalized by RT and Assadists breh
Linking to Max Abrams to vindicate this position, is like linking to Defense of Democracies thintankers on Gaza.Abrams doesn't possess an ounce of intellectually honesty, like all academics who try to support a pro Assad position. If U.S. intelligence confirms with high probability that it was a chemical attack, he will simply signal distrust in the finding.
thatrapsfan
Superstar
We've seen this song and dance before. The OPCW will confirm the chemical attack months down the line and the Assadists will have moved way down the line to their next conspiracy theory.
When the OPCW does indeed confirm the chemical attack, the Assadists and Russia will pivot from claiming it didnt happen at all, to claiming it was a rebel false-flag attack.
Exhibit A of this charade was their reaction to this finding last summer:
OPCW Fact-Finding Mission Confirms Use of Chemical Weapons in Khan Shaykhun on 4 April 2017
THE HAGUE, Netherlands — 30 June 2017 — In a report released by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) confirmed that people were exposed to sarin, a chemical weapon, on 4 April 2017 in the Khan Shaykhun area, Idlib Province in the Syrian Arab Republic.
The FFM’s mandate is to determine whether chemical weapons or toxic chemicals as weapons have been used in Syria; it does not include identifying who is responsible for alleged attacks. An advance team for the FFM was deployed within 24 hours of being alerted to the incident. For security reasons, the FFM was unable to visit Khan Shaykhun. The rapid deployment to a neighbouring country, however, enabled the team to attend autopsies, collect bio-medical samples from casualties and fatalities, interview witnesses and receive environmental samples.
thatrapsfan
Superstar
Remember when the OPCW found that the regime was dropping chlorine gas barrel bombs out of helicopters two years ago?
Syria blamed for 2015 'chemical attack'
Has *any* Assad supporter or media outlet been able to address these OPCW findings without falling back on conspiracy, obfuscation, and outright denial?
No good faith intention behind Russia/Assad claim that investigations are needed.
Syria blamed for 2015 'chemical attack'
Has *any* Assad supporter or media outlet been able to address these OPCW findings without falling back on conspiracy, obfuscation, and outright denial?
No good faith intention behind Russia/Assad claim that investigations are needed.
So in response to the murder of innocent civilians, we drop bombs that will inevitably lead to the murder of more innocent civilians????
The logic is just stupid. The only people who want war are hawks plain and simple.
The logic is just stupid. The only people who want war are hawks plain and simple.
DonKnock
KPJ Gonna Save Us
I’m starting to consider the possibility that Russia did the chemical attack/provided the chemical weapons to provoke U.S. to continue involvement
Not like they are hesitant about using chemical weapons on foreign soil
Not like they are hesitant about using chemical weapons on foreign soil
ill
Superstar
I’m starting to consider the possibility that Russia did the chemical attack/provided the chemical weapons to provoke U.S. to continue involvement
Not like they are hesitant about using chemical weapons on foreign soil
Russia stated three weeks ago that the US was training rebels to carry out an attack exactly like this one. Either they’re setting up the false narrative or we’re being played by our defense contractors so they can take some more taxpayer money.
Abdi
All Star
fukking idiots i hate these pieces of misinforming shyt breh
Abdi
All Star
Assad has used chemical weapons aganist civilians on numerous of occasions. I am not for military intervention but a military intervention with a clear plan in coordination with neighbor countries to ensure a fair and balanced smooth democratic process after Assad is welcome (ignoring this made Iraq go to shyt) . Assad has to go, Russia has to go and Iran funding hezbollah bolstering depleted Assad dogs gotta go.
independent Syria chemical attacks investigate archives: chemical weapons Archives - bellingcat
independent Syria chemical attacks investigate archives: chemical weapons Archives - bellingcat
Chapter VII of the UN Charter was part of this now veto'd resolution
It helps push the argument that the UN is ineffective and irrelevant. Trump will be back on that soon.
Youve been radicalized by RT and Assadists breh
Abrams doesn't possess an ounce of intellectually honesty, like all academics who try to support a pro Assad position. If U.S. intelligence confirms with high probability that it was a chemical attack, he will simply signal distrust in the finding.
But they still don't know
do they? It's only 'pattern', 'likely'...Assuming Assad did do it...
He got Jaysh Al-Islam to surrender Douma for... a bunch of missiles and air strikes destroying his military installations, hundreds of soldiers, and other damage.
He's some special kind of an idiot.