Official Succession Thread 🟠 Season 4 Currently Airing

[Tony D'Amato]

I'm bout to start binging. I just never wanted to get into another show during or after the game of thrones era.

 

[re'up]

He’s a puppet and a coward. He doesn’t have any business acumen, which is why he was always the lamb to be slaughtered whenever major issues hit the company. His strength is that he doesn’t have a backbone and will do what you tell him. Which is fine. We just shouldn’t frame him as some type of high-level businessman.

He had to do a line of coke during one of the biggest moments in the history of the country just to get through it

He’s working for a man who told him he wants to bang his wife to his face. That was a test from Mattson to see if he had any bite to him. Once Tom didn’t flinch, Mattson knew he had his man.

Yes, and he knows enough to steer the ship. He's a safe pick and will be 100% subservient to his boss. He's not an innovator, but he understands business. He's not dumb at all, he's capable and experienced, and has worked in at least two major divisions in the company. Parks which is weaker, and head of news. Who is in that position at CNN? Chris Licht, and the guy before him was a heavy hitter. Jeff something. edit: it's Jeff Zucker. Those guys could easily run NBCUniversal or whatever. if you read their interviews and profiles, they are far from a Trump or Logan, they are weasels, but they are sharp guys.

he's a total spineless weasel, Tom. a lot of those guys honestly are, by some standards. Never really been in a fight, never had to hustle to eat, or lost it all and had to scrape it back bit by bit. You saw how Tom was stressing over the fed time. He was SICK about it lol

The worst thing Tom has felt is the sting and shame of being lower class, which is some shyt that will burn for your whole life.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Goofies on Reddit gonna ignore the director saying something that should've been obvious

But but she saved the world from Kendall

But but he would have been another Logan

It was 90% not wanting Kendall to win, 9.99% thinking how to serve her agenda and 0.01% wanting to save her marriage

 

[Ozymandeas]

 

[Yayo Toure]

low key I already have this over sopranos in my mind since the last rewatch I did is kinda still fresh on my mind…but I don’t want to fall victim to the moment…I’m gonna let some time pass before I do a rewatch of “the wire” and then “the sopranos”

This show doesn't hold a candle to either.

As much as they tried to add consequence to the show, nothing moved me. Whether they went to jail, lost a deal, lost their company, they are still rich as fukk. Kendall gone to the waterfront to cry with a bodyguard in tow, probably gonna have a Tyrone biggums crack party to get over the huge payout he's about to receive.

Wire and Sopranos had life and death. Only one person died in Succession, and that didn't move me.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Im only on ep 3 of season 1. Seems like a dope show. Is it better than Billions tho?

Not going to even compare it to the hbo goats yet

 

[RickyGQ]

People saying kendall couldnt do it, but tom could? The same tom whos job greg basically does by himself while he does coke and orders lattes.

We saw Tom putting in work during the election and afterward when he missed the funeral.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Damn Roman is a piece of shyt. They couldn't oust the old man

 

[Yayo Toure]

and who does Shiv think she is to be the arbiter of morality? At the very last minute?

she a trash human, fat face looking like trannie chris farley. I guess you could say she shoulda kept it in the family, but in a way she did keep it in the family(her family). She trash tho.

 

[ciubaca]

im on the last ep right now... unless there is some wild plot twist.... what was the point of this Greg character? I dont think i've seen a character with that much screen time and so useless to the plot

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Excellent finale. They really stuck the landing.

I really liked how they teased us with that fairytale ending with Kendall as CEO with support of his siblings. That’s clearly the best outcome for the Roy family. None of them are morally superior so I don’t see any point in discussing who “deserves it” from either a morality standpoint or a qualifications standpoint. Deserving it has never been the main reason for success in corporate America, anyways. Kendall was the was the best choice for CEO not only because he was the only one with a passable argument to the board/public/market (Rome was burned with the eulogy, Shiv has no experience, don’t know why she can’t see this…yes that’s rhetorical), but mainly because he plays the part the best. To the public/market, the CEOs biggest impression come in moments like the eulogy where all eyes are on him. Ken shined there, he shined at Living+ presentation at the shareholders meeting, and he shined in front of Congress. Ken has shown over and over that he rises and excels in those moments. But he sucks with interpersonal skills and fostering relationships. People just don’t like Kendall yet it’s almost sad how much he wants to be liked. His attempts at sparking that “human” connection have been cringe throughout the show. Recent examples include Mencken and his opponent for President, Jimenez. However, thankfully for this fairytale triumvirate, Rome fills this void beautifully. They’re like the yin and the yang, whilst Rome struggles with rising in those legacy defining moments and Ken shines, Rome is much better at getting people to like and work with him. Rome fosters that relationship with Mencken. Shiv does have a good mind for strategy, she can help the company navigate through inevitable shyt storms as she did with GoJo’s fake numbers. This will give her immense influence over a multinational corporation for someone with so little qualifications. They should have legitimized her by giving her some empty title (special advisor, chief marketing officer, who gives a shyt). Those three working together playing to their strengths while covering for the shortcomings of their siblings would have easily been the best outcome for the Roy family.

Of course, I keep calling it the fairytale because from what we’ve been shown the last 4 seasons there is no way these three characters could actually operate in this manner. That sibling slumber party scene was gold. It stretched the suspension of disbelief to its limits. These people are fukkED UP. You can’t undo all the trauma and flaws from their daddy issues in a matter of hours. Logan screwed them in different ways, but the way he played them against each other is common amongst them all. They were programmed since they were children to compete with each other and this has made them resentful. They can’t even truly be happy for each other’s accomplishments. Shiv’s finally having her first born child in her 30s and Rome makes disgusting jokes while Ken just gives her the robotic congrats. There’s no genuine expression of joy both for her and for themselves as future uncles. So it’s quite fitting that in the moment where Ken is poised to get what he wants in an arrangement where she can’t get what she wants and Rome can’t get what he wants (not that Shiv really cares about that, but she’ll use that in her justification because it makes her look less selfish) that she’d use her power to block him. She’d rather not see Ken win than to do what’s best for the family especially since the alternative isn’t that bad for the family. They’re still filthy rich; even richer because they got Mattsen to overpay. So that sibling slumber party is when I knew this shyt was going to come crashing down. It felt like something out of a 90s coming of age movie. This wasn’t going to work because it couldn’t work.

Tom was the perfect choice for Mattsen. Anyone questioning Tom’s “qualifications” has fallen victim to forgetting that we get to see a more personal side of him. All the opinions of him that we see on the show are from people either more qualified or more clouted or both. Mattsen purposely picked from the bottom of the talent pool because he was only naming an American CEO to appease Menken and the other choices would more likely be headaches. He explicitly said he didn’t want Shiv cause he didn’t want ideas, he wanted execution. If he dreaded the thought of a future arguing/debating Shiv over corporate strategy why would he want to get into that situation with the more qualified Gerri, Karl or Frank? He wanted a puppet. And Tom is perfectly fine being a puppet, cuz it’s just another rung on the ladder for him. He’s no more of a puppet than he was as head of ATN (for Kendal, Mattsen, or Logan). Now he’s just more powerful. Don’t know why anyone would try to say this is anything other than a win for him.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Was it out in the open that Kendall’s kids weren’t his?

I don’t remember that being covered or alluded to before

That was one of the lowest things anyone said on that show...almost as bad as the mom to shiv

I thought those kids were adopted. I didn’t think there was any question that they weren’t his biological kids. They’re Indian.

Rome pointing out they’re not blood is foul, but it’s not like he let some cat out the bag or spoke about something that’s not acknowledged, unless I’m mistaken.

 

[ciubaca]

I'm bout to start binging. I just never wanted to get into another show during or after the game of thrones era.

i didnt want to get into another show about rich fukks after billions. Billions fell off harder that Prison break.
I started watching this show a few moths ago, when i found out it was eding with season 4
i rly liked succession but i dont think i'll watch it again. Not rly in top 10 HBO shows

 

[Yayo Toure]

People's misreadings of Tom here and everywhere are wild...

1. He loved Shiv. He was hurt when she didn't love him back.
2. He loved money even more. She introduced him to the lifestyle and he fell in love with it. He tells her this, and you this, directly.
3. He was good at his job, which was to manage / lead organizations, and take the heat of his superiors and the public. That is a core job of all management. He isn't a true leader, he is a true manager.
4. He was desperate to find out how to impress Logan. He thought loving his daughter would. Nope, that gets negative respect and he shyt on Tom to his face in front of the family for it. He thought buying a nice gift would. Nope, why buy a gift for a man who has everything. He thought running a line of business would. Nope, you're just a cog. Nah, what Logan respects is loyalty, guts and cunning. Tom showed that he will eat off your plate. He showed that he'd go to jail for Logan. He showed that he'd sell out his family for the business, that is why Logan ended up bringing Tom closer, nothing else. And the moment he realized that, and that it gets him closer to the money, nothing else mattered including shiv's love or approval.
5. He started to move the same way. He doesn't give a fukk about Greg other than Greg's ability to be loyal, or be leveraged. Just like logan. He was Logan's best pupil
6. Again, Tom only cares about the money...he doesn't even really care about the power. He's MORE than content being the CEO of the biggest media company in the world (). It's one of the best jobs a professional c suite manager can have in the world. Scoffing at that is comedy.

Tom won. Period. Any reading that he didn't shows you don't know toms motivations or how he moved to get there. he doesn't give a fukk about that family and doesn't need to anymore.

Tom won like how Brann won at the end of GOT. Similar writing decisions that they think are from left field to deprive the viewer of the predictable outcome.

But honestly both were shytty and poor endings IMO

 

[Bittersteel]

Tom didn't win shyt, Mattsen owns the company so Tom being CEO isn't the same as when Logan was CEO or what Kendall wanted.