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Yea...these characters have mostly stayed the same throughout the shows run with the exception of Tom & Greg. Other shows have done more with the ancillary characters than Succession but that doesn't mean Succession isn't a better show...just means the writing has focused on other aspects.

Also, lot of folks were complaining the show was spinning it's wheels before the S3 finale. So the writing has had some peaks & valleys.
IMO this show isnā€™t about character development though. The entire premise of the show is that these people arenā€™t as smart as we pretend rich people are. We treat them as royalty and geniuses and it turns out, theyā€™re just as dumb, insecure and petty as the rest of us. They just get to hide all their mistakes behind the money that they never really earned.
 

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In the first couple episodes Greg was vomiting over himself in a mascot costume, asking his mom for money, and waxing poetic about his favorite restaurant.... California Pizza Kitchen...

...now he is one of the 3 most powerful people at the most powerful news network on television, and doing his own manipulation within the family.

I'd say he's changed.

heā€™s changed his position in life but character-wise heā€™s not much differentā€¦rewatching the series made me realize that I misread his character early onā€¦even tho his station in life was much lower he was angling his way into position almost immediately from the start of the seriesā€¦heā€™s just really clumsy and forward/shameless about it (zero tact) but thatā€™s always been how his character operated and still does
 

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Just started watching, Season 1, and it's very easy to love, didn't realize how funny it was. Hilarious, line after line, and of course incredible glamorous production values.

Read too many op eds, and Wall Street Journal articles, and just had to get into it.

Here's one that helped convince me: Opinion | How ā€˜Successionā€™ Busts One of Americaā€™s Most Cherished Myths

a poster above highlighted the same theme, very insightfully.
 

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Just started watching, Season 1, and it's very easy to love, didn't realize how funny it was. Hilarious, line after line, and of course incredible glamorous production values.

Read too many op eds, and Wall Street Journal articles, and just had to get into it.

Here's one that helped convince me: Opinion | How ā€˜Successionā€™ Busts One of Americaā€™s Most Cherished Myths

a poster above highlighted the same theme, very insightfully.

aww man I canā€™t read the full article
 

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:jbhmm: IMO Tom & Greg have stay the same they are both yes men all that change he who they are saying yes to.

Greg I'll give you, but Tom like Shiv said "would've never missed her father's funeral while he was alive"...He certainly wouldn't have aired her out like he did on the balcony or even pulled the S3 twist in S1 either.
 

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Greg I'll give you, but Tom like Shiv said "would've never missed her father's funeral while he was alive"...He certainly wouldn't have aired her out like he did on the balcony or even pulled the S3 twist in S1 either.
That because as tom see it being a yes man to shiv has not pay off like he thought it would if shiv had play her role that tom thought she and him agree on which was use her family connects to empower and protect tom as he climb the Waystar Royco "corporate ladder" he would have never sold her out to her father that why he side with logan and became his yes man because he see that logan would have his back.
 

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:jbhmm: IMO Tom & Greg have stay the same they are both yes men all that change he who they are saying yes to.

In the first couple episodes Greg was vomiting over himself in a mascot costume, asking his mom for money, and waxing poetic about his favorite restaurant.... California Pizza Kitchen...

...now he is one of the 3 most powerful people at the most powerful news network on television, and doing his own manipulation within the family.

I'd say he's changed.
When Greg first was told to work at ATN, he initially tried to refuse because he's "against racism".

He went from that, to now tripping over himself to try to impress Menken :mjpls:


heā€™s changed his position in life but character-wise heā€™s not much differentā€¦rewatching the series made me realize that I misread his character early onā€¦even tho his station in life was much lower he was angling his way into position almost immediately from the start of the seriesā€¦heā€™s just really clumsy and forward/shameless about it (zero tact) but thatā€™s always been how his character operated and still does
 
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When Greg first was told to work at ATN, he initially tried to refuse because he's "against racism".

He went from that, to now tripping over himself to try to impress Menken :mjpls:
Yeah, we saw Greg get corrupted in real time. He wanted more, sure, but we saw him look a blind eye at bad activity...to being complicit, to saying he doesn't even need a soul, to enjoying it. It was a legit transition.
 

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Tom is hilarious and 100% insufferable, so weak.

Not rich, or wealthy, but I am in those circles, similar to Succession, not all the time, or exactly qualified, but plenty of people who have that kind of life to a degree. Wealthy families, political families, people who are members of those kinds of families.

I was doing a deal, and my boy was going to get me 5 m's, on a handshake deal, I had that level of respect with him. My homie came in, it was his business plan for marijuana dispensaries, and I was trying to tell him how to move when we were doing the deal. Don't go do blow and chase women with those guys, we are going home. You aren't them, and can't pretend to be.

People like that will never respect you if you act the way Tom did. Weak, passive. Actually, I knew a guy like that, in their circle, and this dude literally carried their fukking bags getting off the plane. He was their age, their buddy, but no money, no power. This quote will stay with me, that shyt gave me chills.

"He doesn't say anything about that?"

He doesn't have the money to say anything

and my homie held a lot of very American thinking about the rich, and when he spent more time with them, I could tell he was disillusioned, and he said something like "So no matter what happens, this deal, or that deal, or whatever, J and E will be fine, they will always be fine" and I was like "maybe you don't like rich people as much as you thought bro"
 
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