Ozymandeas
Veteran
what do you mean "4 out of 5"thats a fake number
The Cac Mamba’s brilliant 12 word research on the matter vs. The Wall Street Journal. Who should we ever believe
Official Student Debt Cancellation Watch Thread
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The Cac Mamba’s brilliant 12 word research on the matter vs. The Wall Street Journal. Who should we ever believe
me, obviouslyThe Cac Mamba’s brilliant 12 word research on the matter vs. The Wall Street Journal. Who should we ever believe
" I had to walk 1 hour to school so damn the bus that lets these students get to school in 10 minutes"
lmao so cats on the coli are on this what about me-ism. i cant believe it
i payed my 30k of loans off... ill be ecstatic if i can see my sister who is struggling because she is underemployed with a family and friends who have close to 75k in loans but with a job that pays a fraction of that be able to have some relief. (they have good degrees, just not the good job so miss me with they shoudlve chosen better, this is a systemic issue not an individual)
would it have been nice for that to happen to me sure. but ive been fortunate and was able to flip shytty job after shytty job into something that is half decent right now. i could easily be somewhere where my student debt is crippling me.
i payed my 30k of loans off... ill be ecstatic if i can see my sister who is struggling because she is underemployed with a family and friends who have close to 75k in loans but with a job that pays a fraction of that be able to have some relief. (they have good degrees, just not the good job so miss me with they shoudlve chosen better, this is a systemic issue not an individual)
would it have been nice for that to happen to me sure. but ive been fortunate and was able to flip shytty job after shytty job into something that is half decent right now. i could easily be somewhere where my student debt is crippling me.
How would they go about doing this?
Thank the forgive student debt movement. You always need the left to shift the Overton window.
Government could buy their loans or let them refinance them with the fed and just forgive them.
Take this bullshyt out of this thread right now.
ogc163
Superstar
I said this before in other threads, the working class is going to have beef with this because of the things Noah mentions. The working class understands that they lack social capital and that implicitly and explicitly undermines alot of things they aspire to, so many of them take pride in not having student loans because it's one thing that makes them better off than professional class people. You even see this with people who only have undergrad debt vs people with grad degrees, "I only owe 30k thank goodness I don't owe 300k" saying that as a source of pride to make up for disparities in social capital. Thus, I knew this pushback against student loans was coming.
It's not a bad take, its the horseshoe theory of politics.
Most of the college educated group is working class though. There is an intersection.
Trade guys making 80-100K aren't any more working class than a grad-degreed teacher making 50K.
ogc163
Superstar
You are overstating the intersection, hence the reason I used the term "social capital" because I safely presumed someone would respond with this line of argument. Further, social capital in my opinion and the way some academics use the term is not simply about income but also relates to culture, recreational habits, spending habits, and most importantly access to networks. And so, the teacher and the plumber generally speaking are not of the same class once you look beyond income.
But there are some exceptions when you look at race and geography, but not enough to undermine my general point.