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Yeah thats one area i need to improve in but i dont know where to start:snoop: is it the drum sounds? Or the patterns? Maybe i should start using loops

No, don't use loops.
It's better to make your drums match your melodies. Or make melodies to match your drums.
 

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Yeah thats one area i need to improve in but i dont know where to start:snoop: is it the drum sounds? Or the patterns? Maybe i should start using loops
I can instantly hear in that track what's going on tho... The hihat velocity changes aren't realistic... Not that's fine in some cases but I say you hear to fit the theme and own it. I mean, trap drums have crazy hi hats and very unrealistic, but they accompany synthetic sounding drums mostly. That beat you posted sounded like there was consistency in a boom bap drum kit (like they were sampled from vinyl or recorded from REAL drum sounds as opposed to sine waves etc).

A second thing I noticed was that there wasn't much swing, if any at all. Dig this... On most of my tracks I have most of my drums slightly off the grid. Even if I start with a perfect 8th note hat and kick kick snare pattern perfectly on the grid timing wise, I'll then lee my first kick on the grid but move the second kick forward just slightly, sooo small, then I might nudge the snare forward as well just s tiny bit, then I'll move the entire hat section forward a tiny bit (just don't want the kick/snares to hit at the same time as my hats). Then I'll take the second hat and move it an extra bit. That was a manual expression of how to get swing on a drum kit and it's something I do on 90% of my tracks.


My take home point is that your drums are stuck I. Limbo between being synthetic trap and acoustic realistic boom nap. Pick one and fit the theme. If you use acoustic drum samples, I would keep acoustic realistic drum patterns, with hi hats that vary in velocity but not in a dramatic wave, more up and down. Then add swing for extra realism. If you haven't tried analyzing classic drum breaks in your DAW I suggest it. You can't hear the timing and swing so much as you can see it when it's on your DAWs grid

Sorry I'm on my mobile so the grammar and spelling suck. Bare with me and ask any questions if you don't get it. Youtubing real drummer tutorials might even help, I've done that before. I do use loops as a resource as well. It's all a tool in your tool bag
 

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Bryson Tiller Ft NYCDaFuture Exchange Remix Would like to know what the coli thinks and what to improve on..

Sounded like Cassidy for a second there. Dope. I liked it better in the first half than the second half to be honest. Not to take away the emotion. It was either my Perception this you owned the first half, but weren't as strong in expressing the second half so it seemed a little weak. I can't tell tho if that's a delivery weakness or the actual emotional vulnerability is the weakness in hearing, if that makes sense. Either way it's dope. Makes me wanna make a beat like that too damn sounded fresh
 

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But a lot of producers overdo the swing thing on they drums which makes it sound spatic.
I usually only put swing on the notes that are between the 8th notes. (I don't know what they are called)
If i'm trying to emulate that J Dilla swing, i usually put the 8th notes that are in the middle of every beat... 1/3 step to the right to give it a little off-beat feel.
 
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Sounded like Cassidy for a second there. Dope. I liked it better in the first half than the second half to be honest. Not to take away the emotion. It was either my Perception this you owned the first half, but weren't as strong in expressing the second half so it seemed a little weak. I can't tell tho if that's a delivery weakness or the actual emotional vulnerability is the weakness in hearing, if that makes sense. Either way it's dope. Makes me wanna make a beat like that too damn sounded fresh

Good looks, yea I know what you mean.. Well the second half was all feestyle off the top and the feelings were real so I def undestand..
 

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I can instantly hear in that track what's going on tho... The hihat velocity changes aren't realistic... Not that's fine in some cases but I say you hear to fit the theme and own it. I mean, trap drums have crazy hi hats and very unrealistic, but they accompany synthetic sounding drums mostly. That beat you posted sounded like there was consistency in a boom bap drum kit (like they were sampled from vinyl or recorded from REAL drum sounds as opposed to sine waves etc).

A second thing I noticed was that there wasn't much swing, if any at all. Dig this... On most of my tracks I have most of my drums slightly off the grid. Even if I start with a perfect 8th note hat and kick kick snare pattern perfectly on the grid timing wise, I'll then lee my first kick on the grid but move the second kick forward just slightly, sooo small, then I might nudge the snare forward as well just s tiny bit, then I'll move the entire hat section forward a tiny bit (just don't want the kick/snares to hit at the same time as my hats). Then I'll take the second hat and move it an extra bit. That was a manual expression of how to get swing on a drum kit and it's something I do on 90% of my tracks.


My take home point is that your drums are stuck I. Limbo between being synthetic trap and acoustic realistic boom nap. Pick one and fit the theme. If you use acoustic drum samples, I would keep acoustic realistic drum patterns, with hi hats that vary in velocity but not in a dramatic wave, more up and down. Then add swing for extra realism. If you haven't tried analyzing classic drum breaks in your DAW I suggest it. You can't hear the timing and swing so much as you can see it when it's on your DAWs grid

Sorry I'm on my mobile so the grammar and spelling suck. Bare with me and ask any questions if you don't get it. Youtubing real drummer tutorials might even help, I've done that before. I do use loops as a resource as well. It's all a tool in your tool bag
Thanks alot brah ill have to try this. What daw are you on brah? Reason has an option to use grooves for swing but i havent really fiddled around with it. Im not really good with playing drums via keyboard so i use redrum (step sequencer) and dont really use the kong machine. Im gonna check youtube for the drummer tuturials right now tho :smugdraper:
 

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Thanks alot brah ill have to try this. What daw are you on brah? Reason has an option to use grooves for swing but i havent really fiddled around with it. Im not really good with playing drums via keyboard so i use redrum (step sequencer) and dont really use the kong machine. Im gonna check youtube for the drummer tuturials right now tho :smugdraper:
I dont even use the Reason quantize and stopped using it on my MPC long ago. Step edit the hits in. Go to "Position" where it will say something like 2.3.1.35 and adjust the last number for each hit when your track is playing.
 

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Thanks alot brah ill have to try this. What daw are you on brah? Reason has an option to use grooves for swing but i havent really fiddled around with it. Im not really good with playing drums via keyboard so i use redrum (step sequencer) and dont really use the kong machine. Im gonna check youtube for the drummer tuturials right now tho :smugdraper:
i use ableton, you can do it in any DAW tho. the automatic swing is fine, just understand what it's doing! and you'll be a better producer
 
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