Official Michael Jordan 'The Last Dance' Doc Thread (NO SPOILERS)

[viktordoomsecretwars]

All it takes is a little research, Magic just like any other expansion team struggled the first 4 years. Grizzles, Raptors also came in during the 2nd title run.

YA’ll act like Dame isn’t faster, likely stronger, shoots better and has far
Superior handle than anyone in that era.

So Jordan was only a dominant player because the Magic in their first 4 years were bad. Never mind in the following 3 years when they had Shaq, Penny Hardaway, Dennis Scott, Nick Anderson , won 60+ games , beat Jordan and he came back the following year and swept them.

Jordan faced expansion teams in the playoffs when they were very strong not weak so you're not making sense.

Also, never mind that Jordan didn't face any expansion teams in either the ECF or the NBA finals in any year of the firsrt 3 peat.

Never mind the fact that Jordan averaged 37ppg and then 35ppg back to back when there were no expansion teams in the league in 86/87 and 87/88.

Lillard is not faster than Jordan, he's not stronger than Dominique, and doesn't have far superior handles to any of the decent point guards of that era. His handles are not better than Kevin Johnson or Mark Price's. And they certainly aren't better than Zeke's or Michael Jordan himself.

And Price was just as good a 3 point shooter as Lillard was and so was Bird. And they played in an era were they barely even practised 3 pointers.

You're just trolling at this point and you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[jwinfield]

MJ dominated in the expansion era. 88-95 there were 6 new NBA teams that ultimately diluted to talent pool.

He put up 37/5/5 in 86-87.

 

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@viktordoomsecretwars

Damian Lillard clearly has a better handle than Mark Price, Kevin Johnson, Isiah Thomas. Price was quick and could split a double but his handle wasn’t better than Dame’s. And by today’s standard Isiah’s handle is nothing crazy. A wrap around behind the back dribble was “wow” back then. And those guys are small compared to Lillard giving up 1-3 inches and with less body and musculature and wingspan.

He clearly has more shooting range and off the dribble shooting ability than Mark Price and Larry Bird. They’re better shooters by % from 3 but not in ability.

Dame 6’3, 195 lb. with sub-6% body fat with 40 inches of bounce and a 3.3 3/4th court sprint, 6’8 wingspan, more advanced modern dribble combinations, elite footwork, and he has range out to 30 feet please show me what PG in the 80’s or 90’s had Dame’s physique, handle, athleticism

Nikka please you old school stans are insufferable not surprised being you’re the same cat that said Bradley Beal would only be an “average” 17 point scorer in the 80’s

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

@viktordoomsecretwars

Damian Lillard clearly has a better handle than Mark Price, Kevin Johnson, Isiah Thomas. Price was quick and could split a double but his handle wasn’t better than Dame’s. And by today’s standard Isiah’s handle is nothing crazy. And those guys are small compared to Lillard give up an inch or 2 and with less body and musculature and wingspan.

He clearly has more shooting range and off the dribble shooting ability than Mark Price and Larry Bird. They’re better shooters by %.

Dame 6’3, 195 lb. with sub-6% body fat with 40 inches of bounce and a 3.3 3/4th court sprint, 6’8 wingspan, more advanced modern dribble combinations, elite footwork, and he has range out to 30 feet please show me what PG in the 80’s or 90’s had Dame’s physique, handle, athleticism

Nikka please you old school stans are insufferable

So you're agreeing with him that Lillard will average 34 ppg in that era and will match Jordan stride for stride? Basically every very good player today is Superman in the late 80's/90's and will even outperform Jordan for stats.

As for him having a better handle than those players I mentioned. I disagree. Dame's handle isn't even crazy like that. You're talking about his handle like he's Kyrie. Players like Price and Johnson literally had the ball glued to their body. Good luck trying to take the ball off them.

And of course he has more shooting range and off the dribble shooting ability. That's the era he plays in. Curry made that a thing and players like Lillard, Doncic and Harden run with it. Doesn't mean he's a better 3 point shooter than Bird who went 50-40-90.

They're better shooters by % That's a pretty pointless remark. Of course 3pt % is the primary way to measure who the better 3 point shooter is.

You're off base as usual. But I know you have to represent for the era you boo thing, Lebron plays in

 

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So you're agreeing with him that Lillard will average 34 ppg in that era and will match Jordan stride for stride? Basically every very good player today is Superman in the late 80's/90's and will even outperform Jordan for stats.

As for him having a better handle than those players I mentioned. I disagree. Dame's handle isn't even crazy like that. You're talking about his handle like he's Kyrie. Players like Price and Johnson literally had the ball glued to their body. Good luck trying to take the ball off them.

And of course he has more shooting range and off the dribble shooting ability. That's the era he plays in. Curry made that a thing and players like Lillard, Doncic and Harden run with it. Doesn't mean he's a better 3 point shooter than Bird who went 50-40-90.

They're better shooters by % That's a pretty pointless remark. Of course 3pt % is the primary way to measure who the better 3 point shooter is.

You're off base as usual. But I know you have to represent for the era you boo thing, Lebron plays in

Lillard wouldn’t be better than Jordan but he would be different than anything those mfs in the 80’s seen that’s for sure

Flat out bigger, more athletic, more skilled

Lillard would revolutionize the PG position around 15-20 years early before Marbury/B-Diddy/Francis and ‘em came along he’s destroying that era

Your claim is bullshyt dog stop downplaying modern players it’s sick

This stiff shyt is not better than no fukking Dame Lillard


Dame barely turns the ball over (he had only 40 ball handling TO’s last season in 82 games) just stop his handle is tight as shyt and he has better, modern dribble combination and a swagger to his pace. If Lillard took the shots they did he would also shoot 40% from 3 but he takes a volume of threes and takes them with range which knocks his efficiency down but benefits his teams floor spacing. Lillard is second only to Steph in range.

I gain nothing from praising Lillard if I had a pro-LeBron agenda. They aren’t rivals. They’ve never faced in the playoffs. They aren’t even generational peers. My thought is simple modern players>old school players.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

Lillard wouldn’t be better than Jordan but he would be different than anything those mfs in the 80’s seen that’s for sure

Flat out bigger, more athletic, more skilled

Your claim is bullshyt dog stop downplaying modern players it’s sick

This stiff shyt is not better than no fukking Dame Lillard


Dame barely turns the ball over just stop his handle is tight as shyt and he has better, modern dribble combination and a swagger to his pace.

I gain nothing from praising Lillard if I had a pro-LeBron agenda. They aren’t rivals. They’ve never faced in the playoffs. They aren’t even generational peers. My thought is simple modern players>old school players.

You probably think Doncic will be better than Bird if he played in that era since he averages 30-10-10 in your boo thing's era. I know you have to embellish this era to make Lebron look better than he actually is.

No handchecking, defensive 3 second violation, insane spacing and wide open lanes. Easy 30-10-10 for Doncic then.

Luka Doncic: It's easier to score in the NBA than in Europe | Eurohoops

 

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You probably think Doncic will be better than Bird if he played in that era since he averages 30-10-10 in your boo thing's era. I know you have to embellish this era to make Lebron look better than he actually is.

No handchecking, defensive 3 second violation, insane spacing and wide open lanes. Easy 30ppg for Doncic in.

Lillard bigger, more athletic, more skilled, has more range, longer wingspan than almost all them 80’s point guards

Keep watching grainy ass tapes of old basketball instead of appreciating the era you in fakkit

LeBird would dominate every era if Larry was in this era he’d be something like him

Why does your dumb ass keep posting pace and team system dependent stats?

 

[ISO]

Think Doncic wouldn’t dominate a fast paced man-to-man defense era where he outweighs the average big man and his handle would be houdini, brehs

Think Doncic wouldn’t dominate an era full of 20 and 30 point scorers with several games with 300 point combined scores, brehs

Think Doncic wouldn’t be right up there with Bird if not better at the same stage of development, brehs

Underestimate arguably the most prodigious European basketball prospect ever who was MVP as a teen of a grown man league, brehs

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

Lillard bigger, more athletic, more skilled, has more range, longer wingspan than all them 8/ point guards

Keep watching grainy ass tapes of old basketball instead of appreciating the era you in fakkit

LeBird would dominate every era if Larry was in this era he’d be something like him

Why does your dumb ass keep posting pace and team system dependent stats?

Lillard bigger, more athletic, more skilled, has more range, longer wingspan than all them 8/ point guards

Keep watching grainy ass tapes of old basketball instead of appreciating the era you in fakkit

LeBird would dominate every era if Larry was in this era he’d be something like him

Why does your dumb ass keep posting pace and team system dependent stats?

Luka Doncic: It's easier to score in the NBA than in Europe | Eurohoops

 

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Luka Doncic: It's easier to score in the NBA than in Europe | Eurohoops

What does this prove?

The European court is smaller, there’s no goaltending, there’s no 3 seconds, the NBA ball isn’t as slippery, Euros play a more team friendly style, and the NBA has much better floor spacing.

Luka hasn’t even faced a playoff defense yet the boy don’t even know.

 

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@viktordoomsecretwars

Do I have to pull out Jeff Ruland saying the 80’s NBA is easier than the 80’s NCAA and EuroLeague?

Since you wanna pull out irrelevant disingenuous shyt

Get ya daps from the legion of flabbys

 

[Cyber]

Think Doncic wouldn’t dominate a fast paced man-to-man defense era where he outweighs the average big man and his handle would be houdini, brehs

Think Doncic wouldn’t dominate an era full of 20 and 30 point scorers with several games with 300 point combined scores, brehs

Think Doncic wouldn’t be right up there with Bird if not better at the same stage of development, brehs

Underestimate arguably the most prodigious European basketball prospect ever who was MVP as a teen of a grown man league, brehs

Doncic needs the ball in his hands in order to do much, his off ball game is trash. Most of the stuff Doncic does in today's NBA would either be called a travel or would never be allowed by any team not coached by Don Nelson... And I doubt even he would go those lengths. Doncic has the ball like literally 50% of the time (8.5 mpg out of 32, assuming Mavs have ball half of that...) which is a huge contrast from how teams played in the 80s

Maybe if he entered league in 80s he'd have an off ball game and would be quicker with his decisions, maybe those guards from the 80s would look better with more spacing and more lenient ball handling rules. I just saw 2 1980 playoff games earlier today and they both had a guy jack up a shot from 35+ that went in, guys were dribbling with both hands, double teams occurred, and lane was clogged up and with def 3 second that makes it hard to drive for layups. Doncic would need a major adjustment if he played back then, since you're not giving 80s guys the benefit of the doubt there's no reason to give Doncic the benefit of the doubt either

Its actually not an exaggeration. If Harden's lame ass can average 36 in this era. Damn right MJ averages 45. Im 90% sure of that. And more in the playoffs.

Put 1989 MJ in today's league and its over. With all the spacing today? They'll probably have to change the rules and revert back to the old rules of handchecking and no defensive 3 sec violation. He'll flat out embarrass dudes.

I have little doubt he could from a pure ability standpoint, but if his team blows the other team out I don't see him get the minutes/possessions to average it and I doubt MJ would care as long as he's still averaging more than Harden. Per 36 I definitely can though, Giannis averages 30 PPG and like 35 per 36 minutes, I can see something similar in the RS. Little doubt he'd average that in the PS though

 

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Doncic needs the ball in his hands in order to do much, his off ball game is trash. Most of the stuff Doncic does in today's NBA would either be called a travel or would never be allowed by any team not coached by Don Nelson... And I doubt even he would go those lengths. Doncic has the ball like literally 50% of the time (8.5 mpg out of 32, assuming Mavs have ball half of that...) which is a huge contrast from how teams played in the 80s

Maybe if he entered league in 80s he'd have an off ball game and would be quicker with his decisions, maybe those guards from the 80s would look better with more spacing and more lenient ball handling rules. I just saw 2 1980 playoff games earlier today and they both had a guy jack up a shot from 35+ that went in, guys were dribbling with both hands, double teams occurred, and lane was clogged up and with def 3 second that makes it hard to drive for layups. Doncic would need a major adjustment if he played back then, since you're not giving 80s guys the benefit of the doubt there's no reason to give Doncic the benefit of the doubt either


I have little doubt he could from a pure ability standpoint, but if his team blows the other team out I don't see him get the minutes/possessions to average it and I doubt MJ would care as long as he's still averaging more than Harden. Per 36 I definitely can though, Giannis averages 30 PPG and like 35 per 36 minutes, I can see something similar in the RS. Little doubt he'd average that in the PS though

The only thing that can possibly be called a travel that Doncic does is his step back. And he doesn’t do the Harden step back he just has a long step back. By the rulebook Doncic step back is clean and his handle is legal he’s just Maravich level with it. Stop it.

I specifically said that Doncic stats are a product of pace and his teams system.

However, that don’t mean that Doncic wouldn’t excel with the ball in his hand less. He would adjust. Doncic could very well find himself in a position where he could have a high usage many guys did and I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to play off-ball either that’s something you fabricated in your head. If any scout in the 80’s saw Doncic handle, passing, I.Q. level it’s no way they wouldn’t want the ball in his hands. Some teams may even make him a PG in this era.

Send me the 80’s playoff games where guys were shooting 35 foot threes. I just saw a video of Chris Ford hit the first three in history he literally shot the ball like a bytch.

 

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I have little doubt he could from a pure ability standpoint, but if his team blows the other team out I don't see him get the minutes/possessions to average it and I doubt MJ would care as long as he's still averaging more than Harden. Per 36 I definitely can though, Giannis averages 30 PPG and like 35 per 36 minutes, I can see something similar in the RS. Little doubt he'd average that in the PS though

Michael wouldn’t average 45. That’s terrible basketball. All it would mean is he took 30 shots a game. It’s not even sustainable or healthy for a team or player.

Harden monopolizes the ball and plays in a D’Antoni offense which allows him to rack up numbers on top of being extremely skilled.

And in the Triangle he definitely isn’t averaging 45 points. You dudes are insufferable.

Stop citing players like Harden and Giannis like they’re nothing special.

Yeah that lil nikka Harden that’s 6’5 230 lb. with a handle who hits step back contested 25 footers nightly and gets to the cup at will averages 36 fukk it Mike has to average 45.

That Giannis dude who is 7 foot 245 lb. and goes coast to coast in 3 strides averages 30 yeah dog that definitely means Jordan scoring 45 a game.

Y’all have the worst logic I’ve ever seen. Fool, Harden and Giannis are completely gamebreaking innovative players. Mike didn’t deal with mfs like this in his time. They didn’t exist. They would break the league.

 

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Jordan stan Logic

Giannis averages 30 points per game?

That must mean Michael will average 45

Giannis is fukking Scottie Pippen on steroids