Official Michael Jordan 'The Last Dance' Doc Thread (NO SPOILERS)

[FAH1223]

Floyd: Krause wanted to blow up Bulls earlier

Tim Floyd: Told Jerry Reinsdorf, Jerry Krause to let Bulls 'die a natural death'

It turns out "The Last Dance" was almost about a different season.

In an interview with ESPN 104.5 Baton Rouge's Off The Bench morning show on Monday, Tim Floyd said he was flown to Seattle to talk with Chicago Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf about replacing Phil Jackson after the 1995-96 season -- a year before "The Last Dance" picked up the saga of disbanding the team as it headed into the 1997-98 season.

Then-Bulls general manager Jerry Krause's frustrations with then-coach Phil Jackson were boiling over, and Krause wanted to start the rebuild a year early while he could get more value for players contracted through the '97-98 season.

Floyd said the Bulls flew him to Seattle to meet with Reinsdorf and that the two walked around downtown Seattle discussing the job. He added that Reinsdorf explained that Krause wanted Jackson out, thought Scottie Pippen was breaking down physically and wanted the rebuild to start right away.

"Anyhow, I told Jerry Reinsdorf that day," Floyd said on the radio show, "I don't think Jerry [Krause] understands that these guys are basically the Beatles. This is the most popular franchise of all time. I said, 'If I'm you, I would not do this. Not even the following year. Let it die a natural death because there are certain teams and players that you just don't break up. I think these guys have earned the right to let it die its own death.'"

At the time, Seattle's starting center was Ervin Johnson, who had played for Floyd at the University of New Orleans. Floyd said he was flown to Seattle under the guise of visiting his former player instead of being there to meet with the Bulls about the coaching job.

Floyd, who had just finished his second year at Iowa State at the time, flew back to Ames, and he said he received a phone call from Reinsdorf and Krause after the Bulls won their fourth NBA championship.

"Jerry Reinsdorf asked me, 'Tim, would you tell Jerry Krause what you told me in downtown Seattle about next year?'" Floyd said. "I told Jerry Krause, and he said you don't understand, I can't do it. I don't want to work with Phil again. I said, 'Why don't you work downtown and let Phil work out of the other place [facility]?' Y'all just stay the hell away from each other because it's working."

Floyd also gave details on how his relationship with Krause started. It went back to 1988 when Floyd was the coach at UNO.

Krause was scouting Louisiana Tech forward Randy White, who was playing in the American South Conference at the time against UNO. Krause came down to scout White three times, and UNO just happened to be playing Louisiana Tech each of those times -- twice in the regular season and once in the conference tournament.

"At the conference tournament, Jerry walked up to me and said 'You don't know me but I want to let you know you're going to be our next head coach,'" Floyd said. "Jerry always had a coach in his pocket. I'm sure if he hired me he was going to have a coach in his pocket that he was going to hire.

"Anyhow, he started calling me. Started out once a week and then the last four or five years, it was every day or twice a day. It was hour-long conversations. The following year, in '89, he wanted me to fly up to the Bulls' training camp and wanted me to start running the triangle. I said I'm not doing that, I have no interest in doing that. He just kept on and on and on."

When the rumors were swirling about Floyd becoming the next head coach of the Bulls, Krause was asked about it at the time and he initially said he was just spending so much time with Floyd because the two were fishing buddies.

But were they?

"And the way that started was that summer he said, 'I have to get to know you on a personal level if we're going to do this. So I understand you like to fish, could you teach me how to fish?'" Floyd said. "Basically he flew down to New Orleans and I took him fishing one day and that was the extent of it. Anyhow, he hid behind that in terms of not letting the media know he was going to hire me."

Floyd finally was hired following the 1997-98 season. But when he went to Chicago, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman were all gone. Floyd did have to keep Jackson's coaching staff, however, which was a part of Krause's philosophy to run a "system of play," which in this case was the triangle offense.

"So Krause decided that the guy that could run a system of play was Tex Winter," Floyd said. "He was convinced that was the reason they were winning, it wasn't because of Michael Jordan.

"When I got there, they forced me to run the triangle offense and keep Tex. So Tex worked for me. All of Phil Jackson's staff, Tex, Bill Cartwright and Frank Hamblin. Tex had convinced Jerry that this offense is so wonderful that Wynken, Blyknken and Nod could be put in it and they're going to win. Tex, who had a big desire to be in the Hall of Fame, went through one year of us getting our absolute brains beat in and decided that he needed to rejoin Phil in Los Angeles."

Floyd ended up going 49-190 with the Bulls in four seasons, resigning in the middle of the fourth after starting 4-21. He coached one more season in the NBA -- 2003-04 -- when he went 41-41 with the New Orleans Hornets and took that team to the playoffs, where they lost in seven games to the Miami Heat. He returned to the college ranks after that and coached at USC and UTEP before retiring in November 2017.

In "The Last Dance" docuseries, a big deal was made about Krause inviting Floyd to Krause's wedding in the summer of 1997 -- but not inviting Jackson. Floyd said he did go to the wedding, but it wasn't the best time in the world.

"It was totally uncomfortable," Floyd said. "I didn't want to go at all."

Overall, Floyd said, he was happy he made the choice to go to Chicago and called it a "great adventure."

"I'm glad we did it," Floyd said, before adding with a laugh. "I was just sick and damn tired of being called Jerry's fishing buddy."

 

[HalfwayHandsome]

Can't find the last 2 episodes on fire stick

 

[inndaskKy]

From OG cokeplate Wiggins to current weedplate Wiggins. That generational evolution

 

[Amor fati]

One thing I caught in the doc was that outside of the influence mj's parents had on him, was the influence strong, older black men had on him. Mike mentioned how he liked having that mature voice in his life and I think it helped him a lot. Mike never moved goofy. Always seemed cool, calm, collected and measured. I think the role of older, black men helped shaped him to be like that.

This is from an article in 1999:

"But Jordan has always moved most comfortably in the company of men, specifically among his small inner circle. This is a preference, like the habit of sticking out his tongue, that he inherited from his father.

They are mostly older, mostly rural Southerners, closer in spirit to past generations than to the hip-hop kids rising up in the league. Some, like security guard Gus Lett, 61, and Nike rep Howard White, 45, have played the role of father figure, especially since James's death. ""Michael has the Southern reverence for elders,'' says Whitfield, who is five years older than Jordan. "

Mj's Court

You also had his main man ahmad constantly around him. Then you had quinn buckner popping up out of nowhere every championship in mj's hotel room. I think a lot of these sensitive players today lack any type of older male guidance and that's why they move like sensitive, attention starved kids.

Not only are they attention starved kids it's clear that they have effeminate qualities.

 

[#1 pick]

When you look at WCW contracts between 1996 and 2000, the 15th highest paid man was basketball star Dennis Rodman, who earned $500,000 in 1998 and $1.1 million in 1999. He made more money than guys like Buff Bagwell, Stevie Ray, Eddie Guerrero, The Giant and Dean Malenko. It makes no sense to sign a basketball player to that kind of money in the first place.

He was ratings gold. He was worth it for Turner.

 

[#1 pick]

One thing I caught in the doc was that outside of the influence mj's parents had on him, was the influence strong, older black men had on him. Mike mentioned how he liked having that mature voice in his life and I think it helped him a lot. Mike never moved goofy. Always seemed cool, calm, collected and measured. I think the role of older, black men helped shaped him to be like that.

This is from an article in 1999:

"But Jordan has always moved most comfortably in the company of men, specifically among his small inner circle. This is a preference, like the habit of sticking out his tongue, that he inherited from his father.

They are mostly older, mostly rural Southerners, closer in spirit to past generations than to the hip-hop kids rising up in the league. Some, like security guard Gus Lett, 61, and Nike rep Howard White, 45, have played the role of father figure, especially since James's death. ""Michael has the Southern reverence for elders,'' says Whitfield, who is five years older than Jordan. "

Mj's Court

You also had his main man ahmad constantly around him. Then you had quinn buckner popping up out of nowhere every championship in mj's hotel room. I think a lot of these sensitive players today lack any type of older male guidance and that's why they move like sensitive, attention starved kids.

While most of the shyt you post is Sccit level dikk riding, this shyt is actually some shyt that makes sense.

 

[MikelArteta]

I’m rewatching this.. bulls are down 77-79 with 23 seconds left in the 4th.. Chicago calls time out. They’re in the huddle and Phil Jackson goes, “guys, this is a scary fukking situation. “




Is this what u wanna hear from your head coach with the game on the line? And this supposed to be the zen master.?

It’s crazy how everything went right for the bulls and mj. Like all the lucky bounces, the shots that didn’t clank.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Exactly.

"What they did not tell, of course, was how much a bad pizza and an upset stomach would limit him."

Folks just weren't around back then. Same folks talking about Jordan snitched on the cocaine cowboys ...half the team was in rehab

Mike spit on the pizza so no one else would eat it.
MJ SPAT ON THE PIZZA to ensure no one else would eat it | Basketball Network

 

[OsO]

Floyd: Krause wanted to blow up Bulls earlier

"So Krause decided that the guy that could run a system of play was Tex Winter," Floyd said. "He was convinced that was the reason they were winning, it wasn't because of Michael Jordan.

"When I got there, they forced me to run the triangle offense and keep Tex. So Tex worked for me. All of Phil Jackson's staff, Tex, Bill Cartwright and Frank Hamblin. Tex had convinced Jerry that this offense is so wonderful that Wynken, Blyknken and Nod could be put in it and they're going to win. Tex, who had a big desire to be in the Hall of Fame, went through one year of us getting our absolute brains beat in and decided that he needed to rejoin Phil in Los Angeles."

Krause is a f*cking idiot

 

[nieman]

IT WAS LITERALLY REPORTED
THE DAY OF THE GAME IN 1997
THAT MJ ORDERED A SHRIMP PIZZA
THE NIGHT BEFORE AND GOT SICK.

IT WAS THE STOMACH "FLU" GAME.
nikkaS EXPOSING THEMSELVES.

SOME DUDE CLAIMED HE MET RON HARPER
AT A BAR AND HE SAID MJ WAS HUNGOVER...

THATS WHERE THAT INTERNET MYTH STARTED.



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It was still the flu game though. ESPN & I think Marv was doing that game (can't remember) were the ones that kept saying "Flu" and "Flu like symptoms." Players were the ones that have been saying he was hungover. Granted, the hangover story came out some years later, but Jalen ran with it like a decade ago, and that may have been the most recent.

No one is wrong, because there have been 3 different versions of the story. The crazy part is that they may all simultaneously be true

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

The Chief wasn't having it

 

[MikelArteta]

The Chief wasn't having it

and magic has 5 rings and jordan 6

 

[Mʀ2ᴋDᴇᴇᴢ]

From OG cokeplate Wiggins to current weedplate Wiggins. That generational evolution

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

and magic has 5 rings and jordan 6

And Horry has 7

 

[MVike28]

and magic has 5 rings and jordan 6

prolific posting