Official Michael Jordan 'The Last Dance' Doc Thread (NO SPOILERS)

[kdslittlebro]

Ngl, I found myself in awe multiple times, seeing shyt I've literally seen tens of times already

GOAT

 

[jwinfield]

Agreed....However, It disproves the notion that Chicago was this dominant unbeatable team......I don't believe any of the 90's Bulls teams were as good as the best Celtic/Laker teams....And I definitely believe the KD/Curry Warriors would've given the Bulls some problems.

Being a team that no one beat during those 6 years doesn't prove they were an unbeatable team?

Even Reggie said their championship DNA gave them the edge the last 5-6 minutes of game 7.

The idea that a team that wasn't beaten wasn't unbeatable because the other team folded under pressure is ridiculous, almost ignoring the mental aspect of the game.

What form of competition involves one side winning without the other side making bad choices?

 

[nieman]

I mean, you just watched a Jordan doc when he said Indiana was their 2nd biggest test in the Eastern Conference other than Detroit. And those Pacers gave the Knicks hell. So are you saying 90s basketball was weak back then? Because how could this team have been competitive in the playoffs if they weren't a threat.

I entirely disagree. It shows that he is a great scorer. I'm interested in how he performs against playoff defenses, not win loss records.

Reggie wasn't a slasher, but he did leverage tight coverage into driving opportunities and did have a reliable leaner when cut off. He did pass, this is just false. He would often feed Rik post entry passes, get the ball out quick after being double teamed. He wasn't a good passer, but he was a willing passer. Reggie DID play defense and that's another myth about him. He fought very hard for positioning m2m and was annoying as fukk. Jordan said he hated Reggie because of how much he fought and held him. He didn't back down from assignments. That Pacers team was tough and so was Reggie on both ends of the floor.

The Hawks never went passed the semifinals. The Pacers made the ECF three times before Rose. Those perceptions were wrong.



I understand the perception of Drexler. I disagree with it entirely. People were marveling at his athleticism compared to Jordan while not paying attention to his ball handling weakness compared to Jordan, erratic mid range shooting compared to Jordan and having none of the half court nuance of Jordan who was absurdly dominant in this section whereas Clyde was at his best in transition. Clyde had less opportunities to go coast to coast in the NBA postseason. And nd he didn't outproduce Reggie as a scorer comparing their respective primes, or careers as a whole in the postseason. I've already explained how Reggie helps teammates through off ball work in ways that are just as meaningful as Clyde's playmaking.

Completely disagree with Clyde and Jordan being closer than Reggie and Clyde. Now thats overrating him.

GREAT POST @Consumed!!! Where it seems we will disagree is that postseason > regular season. Getting busy for 10 games is not better than getting busy for 82 games plus playoffs. That's why he is overrated. And they didn't even win those most of those series. Reggie is the best at what he does, and probably invented the style that he was known for. He is possibly the best non-1-on-1 player. Of course we can watch and breakdown games now, and see how he excelled at what he did, but the truth is that in real time he's a 5x All-Star, was never an MVP candidate (which Clyde was in '92 and once again considered the second best player in the league that year, how ever overstated it may have been), and only brought 1 thing to the table as a player, and it wasn't to the point in which he was going to give you 25 every game. He's a great shooter, not scorer. In an 18 year career, he has what...5 seasons over 20ppg? He could always get off his jumpshot, but ultimately you always knew it was a jumpshot. His career is overstated, and really it started with that '95 Series Game 1.

If you're talking about off the ball impact, you can say that about ANY player. I never said he didn't impact the game in other ways, I said he didn't slash, didn't handle the ball, didn't rebound, didn't pass, didn't defend. All of that is true. Clyde rebounded, ran the floor, handled the ball, played defense, passed - all of that is true. And he did all of that with no left, and dribbling with his head down. Is that not having an impact? How many times did Clyde grab the rebound, or make a defensive play, go coast to coast, and either finish in traffic, or hit someone for the quick layup or J. We can break his games down too, and then it'll probably be realized that Clyde is underrated. Reggie could/did not do any of those things, and the Pacers weren't a high-scoring team to begin with. Rock was a ballhandler. Even as he added weight, he still could break down people off the dribble and power them, and he's still been selected to an All-Star team (by the coaches) more than Reggie. More All-NBA teams than Reggie. In real time, Richmond was seen as a better player than Reggie, but Reggie managed to stay relevant longer.

The Pacers were not considered contenders in Real Time. They were viewed on the level of the Hawks as a mid-tier team. That is true. Even in '95, the contenders were Knicks & Magic, and Houston & Phoenix, with Sonics also being mentioned. I'm gonna look and see if I can find articles/odds that would confirm it, but that entire era was mainly Bulls vs Knicks. Larry Brown was being heavily criticized as a coach. Matter if fact, didn't he leave Indy because he didn't think Reggie was a great player, and one he could win with? That's all I'm saying.

To me it's always seemed like the media elevated Reggie's status (based on 1 playoff series), and Clyde gets unfairly omitted. To prove it, they never even show the Orlando series...the series he actually went off on. They say "Pacers the only team to push the Bulls to 7 games", but forget that '92 Knicks/Bulls series went 7, and they don't even show Pacers/Bulls games. But Game 1 vs Knicks gets (used to get) shown all of the time. Game 7 gets shown for Ewing missing the layup.

As for Jordan, and the '98 Pacers may have been their biggest Eastern challenge that year, but overall yeah right. And that was the only time they ever met in the playoffs, and Reggie played like trash, so how could he say that? The Knicks & Bad Boys were the Bulls rivals in the MJ era. Everyone but MJ says that. The Knicks ended Bad Boys, and it became just them. The Knicks/Bulls rivalry was so intense, that when John Starks got traded to the Bulls, he got booed every time he touched the ball, and ended up being there for less than 10 games MJ got mad because Clyde was viewed as an equal, but that's because he's an a$$hole, not because it wasn't (close to) true. The only person MJ has been allowed to be compared to him is Kobe, and it wasn't until after he retired...the second time. He scoffed at all of the "Heir to MJ" comparisons.

 

[BlackMajik]

Chamillionaire musta been really annoying that day

 

[Easy-E]

He was there for up until that minute his back flared up. StopIt's not an indictment on MJ that he had backup in fukking BASKETBALL

Alright, I recognized I was doign too much, because people are now shytting on Pippen.

My issue is this idea in order to balance Michael's legacy, people have been throwing Pippen out like he covered Michael's shortcomings, when these dudes are at worst equal partners.

 

[Easy-E]

Yeah.. I’m sure you have The physical biology, mental make up and and medical support as the greatest athlete of his generation.



The list of things that Jordan could do that the average Coli poster couldn’t, is so long it’s not even worth discussing.

I just want to post this here

 

[HabitualChiller]

Just because LeBron does it more often doesn't mean he's better at it.

People need to be reminded how elite of a passer Jordan was.

I'm not even gonna argue. You Jordan stans are too stubborn.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Unpopular opinion

I believe if all the guys come back minus pippen and they replace him with decent pieces the bulls still win a title in the short season in 99

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

 

[Lefty Gunz]

 

[OsO]

So this whole time Phil had a chance to bring everyone back for another season and he declined. Wow... what an idiot. He is officially on my sh*t list.

 

[2 one 3]

So this whole time Phil had a chance to bring everyone back for another season and he declined. Wow... what an idiot. He is officially on my sh*t list.

His relationship with Jerry was beyond repair. Remember he told Phil earlier that year he could go 82-0 and it would still be his last year.

 

[BXKingPin82]

Miles Bridges wants the 1 on 1 with MJ.

 

[drugxglory]

Still trippin on Rodman going to go kick nikkaz asses on WCW while in the middle of the Finals

 

[Easy-E]

Unpopular opinion

I believe if all the guys come back minus pippen and they replace him with decent pieces the bulls still win a title in the short season in 99

Rodman was cooked. The Bulls frontline would've been trash.

Horace Grant wasn't walking through that door to guard Tim Duncan.