OFFICIAL Manny Pac-Man Pacquiao VS Chris Algieri THREAD... Saturday, Nov 22

[Black_Jesus]

He was a c + fighter before Robert started training him he's obviously and noticeably better now. His showing in the losses to Floyd shyt on Aljazeeras career

He was dominated 11 rounds in the last Floyd fight.. If anything that proves that in the 1st fight Floyd was nowhere near 100%...If Maidana is in Floyds league (dead) then the second fight would've been competitive as well

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Mikey Garcia hasn't had one fight above 130 but he'll go up to 140 and give Chris Algieri that work.....................nikka

The way Garcia been getting stunned in his last couple fights at 130, he might be one of the few boxers out there that Algieri could hurt or drop.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Chris doesn't have the power of Devon Alexander. He wouldn't be able to stay away from Broner, Matthysse and probably the 3rd tier LWW's.
To say Algeiri is a B level fighter when he got dropped 6+ times in his last 2 fights is laughable. He's got a good offensive boxing game and thats about it. Dude is there to be hit too much.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Basically Algieri is an unknown still, he has two notable wins N most nikkas only even heard of Taylor because he fought AB....I mean shyt the only footage HBO used of CA is of him getting dropped by Prov then a couple potshots

CA wasn't ready for a Manny fight period...beating Prov who's best W is Alvarado shouldn't give you a shot at Top 3-5 P4P fighter

TR shoulda gave Algieri at least two more fights...Alvarado, Rios, Abregu, Vargas...had he got them 2ws then fought PAC...all that B fighter talk would be warranted N that W woulda meant more for Manny

Algieri could lose his next fight N be the next Ortiz for all we know...

This Is really Comparable to if Floyd fought Swift after Morales 1...young undefeated champ, un proven, limited resume, a weight class below...Floyd woulda got zero credit for that fight...Garcia has proven himself since then has improved a lot N his resume is now one of the best for his age N now a W against Swift means ALOT more legacy N Money wise

TR is all bout letting fights cook N they rush this one

 

[Newzz]

Provodnikov robbed himself by not listening and following Roach's instructions in the corner.

I can't call anybody that wins a world title (not a vacant title) by beating a world class opponent that is at least top 5 in their division a C level fighter. I honestly think ya nikkas don't know how hard a feat that is to do.

C level nikkas don't do shyt like that. If they did, Curtis Stevens or Mickey Ward would have won a world title especially with all these belts floating around these days.

Arturo Gatti and K9 did

Algieri has the better skills, but Chino has the better wins and overall career. That's what makes them about equal to me.

I can respect it

I think Maidana is B- and Algieri is just a flat out B level fighter. They spots can be interchanged. It aint that serious. My thing is that, neither is leagues above the others. Neither one is B level and then the other is C. They both former champs breh.

I respectfully disagree. I think Maidana is better and C fighters like Ishe Smith have also been Champions.

Postal hasn't done enough to warrant any hype. Dude knocked out Aydin who already lost to Ghost and Soto Karass. You can't downplay a Ruslan win and then turn around and make a big deal out of that.

I don't think that high of Ruslan's skills and Postol is more skilled than Provodnikov. Provodnikov has better names on his resume, but Postol is a good fighter.

Viktor Postol vs Chris Algieri would be a nice matchup, but I would favor Postol's skills over Algieri's because Algieri is a little better boxer, but Postol has a little more power/better chin and let's his hands go more.

 

[Newzz]

Algeiri really could benefit from training with a boxing guy. If he had any bit of power on his shots he could've seriously hurt Manny, he caught him probably as hard as he can throw with the overhand right quite a few times. Fight was garbage, and Algeiri belong on ESPN. Manny did what he had to do.

Yep

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Arturo Gatti and K9 did



I can respect it



I respectfully disagree. I think Maidana is better and C fighters like Ishe Smith have also been Champions.



I don't think that high of Ruslan's skills and Postol is more skilled than Provodnikov. Provodnikov has better names on his resume, but Postol is a good fighter.

Viktor Postol vs Chris Algieri would be a nice matchup, but I would favor Postol's skills over Algieri's because Algieri is a little better boxer, but Postol has a little more power/better chin and let's his hands go more.

See that's the thing, Gatti and K9 aren't C level fighters to me since they were able to win world titles. It ain't always about skills. It's how you utilize them.

Ishe has better skills than K9, but he hasn't nearly did as much with them as K9 has even though he barely beat him when they fought. K9 has other intangibles that Smith lacks. That's why he keeps proving nikkas wrong and hanging on to a belt.

There's a science to this shyt breh. Just like how Algieiri has better skills than Maidana, but Chino has done more than Chris has so far.

Postol ain't worth mentioning cuz like I said he hasn't done enough yet.

 

[Newzz]

Chris doesn't have the power of Devon Alexander. He wouldn't be able to stay away from Broner, Matthysse and probably the 3rd tier LWW's.
To say Algeiri is a B level fighter when he got dropped 6+ times in his last 2 fights is laughable. He's got a good offensive boxing game and thats about it. Dude is there to be hit too much.

He's been dropped 8 times in his last 2 fights = suspect chin and he has no real return firepower to keep you at bay.

I can't call a fighter with JUST boxing ability and heart a B fighter.

At least Prime Paulie Malignaggi had all that PLUS a decent chin which is why he was a B fighter.

 

[Newzz]

See that's the thing, Gatti and K9 aren't C level fighters to me since they were able to win world titles. It ain't always about skills. It's how you utilize them.

It also depends on who you fight for the belt too. K9 beat a washed up Cory Spinks and also Carlos Molina (after a year's worth of ring rust) for his belts. He's not a talented boxer and is a C fighter IMO. Gatti as well was a limited fighter.

Ishe has better skills than K9, but he hasn't nearly did as much with them as K9 has even though he barely beat him when they fought. K9 has other intangibles that Smith lacks. That's why he keeps proving nikkas wrong and hanging on to a belt.

There's a science to this shyt breh. Just like how Algieiri has better skills than Maidana, but Chino has done more than Chris has so far.

But I would never classify Cornelius Bundrage or Ishe Smith as B fighters under any circumstances, because they aren't IMO. They are C fighters just like Alfredo Angulo.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

It also depends on who you fight for the belt too. K9 beat a washed up Cory Spinks and also Carlos Molina (after a year's worth of ring rust) for his belts. He's not a talented boxer and is a C fighter IMO. Gatti as well was a limited fighter.



But I would never classify Cornelius Bundrage or Ishe Smith as B fighters under any circumstances, because they aren't IMO. They are C fighters just like Alfredo Angulo.

Although it does depend on who you fight to for a belt, I'd still have to respectfully disagree with you breh.

Boxing fans in general are a spoiled lot and don't like to really give any credit when it's due. I mean look at this very thread for example.

Manny dominated the 3rd best jr welter in the world and hasn't really gotten any credit for it. Just a whole bunch of Algieri ain't shyt.

Nobody in their right mind would say Chris deserved the fight, but that's another thread.

 

[krackdagawd]

Card went from struggle to great with me, re-watched it today and my boy Loma was the real mvp

Manny taking Algieri's queen away by ducking under and countering or slightly pulling and countering was

Dat sweet science

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Card went from struggle to great with me, re-watched it today and my boy Loma was the real mvp

Manny taking Alieri's queen away by ducking under and countering or slightly pulling and countering was

As far as I'm concerned. The biggest winners of all the boxing that went on yesterday was..

Loma, Manny, and DeGale (he gave Periban that work)

All 3 of them dudes looked real good and were too much for their opponents.

 

[George's Dilemma]

Late to the discussion, but, is it me or was last night one of the worst PPV events ever? Manny's twin brother in the co-main event should have absolutely no business in the ring. Vasyl hurt his hand it appeared and as a result couldn't finish off the Thai cat who also has absolutely no business in the ring either. All I could think and hope was for Algieri to at least make it interesting. I figured as long as he is, maybe he could at least make the judges night interesting. Obviously that wasn't the case and he had absolutely no business being in the ring with Manny.

For all the negative talk about Haymon and Garcia fighting Salka, last night was pretty damn pathetic. Bob Arum needs to be ashamed of himself and Algieri needs to pay off his school loans and get a real job. If I was white, I'd be ashamed of that bum. Cac didn't even Cac right. He doesn't deserve the honor of even being called a Cac. smh if last night did over 200,000.

 

[King P]

Some of you nikkas really been overrating Maidana for a long minute already

Just stop...

 

[Black_Jesus]

He's been dropped 8 times in his last 2 fights = suspect chin and he has no real return firepower to keep you at bay.

I can't call a fighter with JUST boxing ability and heart a B fighter.

At least Prime Paulie Malignaggi had all that PLUS a decent chin which is why he was a B fighter.

Most of those KDs were kneels and slips... he only really got dropped 1-2 times