Official Logan (Wolverine 3) Thread

[MartyMcFly]

Your petty insults don't change the fact that you still have no response to you clearly pretending to want movies dealing with adult subject matter but really just want an R-rating slapped on everything. But hey, hopefully this summer Marvel has Spidey beat a couple of street thugs to death because that really drives home that lesson about how with great power comes great responsibility. I'm sure the @MartyMcFly's of the world will love this darker exploration of the character and if not, well... I guess they're just a bunch of annoying fanboys, amiright?

Spider man dabbling in darkness doesn't bother me because he's done it before and there's precedence for it. We can argue all day about its execution but it's been done and can be compelling when done right. If it serves Peter in the long run. Pete's driven himself to the point of breaking down mentally and physically at times and he's reacted in misbegotten ways because of it. Or if you wanted to do a darker spider man movie without him specifically being violent, you do an adaptation of Kraven's last hunt, which is tragic and very screwed up.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

Your petty insults don't change the fact that you still have no response to you clearly pretending to want movies dealing with adult subject matter but really just want an R-rating slapped on everything. But hey, hopefully this summer Marvel has Spidey beat a couple of street thugs to death because that really drives home that lesson about how with great power comes great responsibility. I'm sure the @MartyMcFly's of the world will love this darker exploration of the character and if not, well... I guess they're just a bunch of annoying fanboys, amiright?

Except I didn't ask for any of that.

I said fox should go R rated.

And I've read spider man stories that would be improved by being r rated instead of being hamstrung to appealing to children.

And has nothing to do with spider man himself doing anything of the sort,rather the villains being able to be villains with real consequences to their actions and showing the gravity of what they can really do without having to worry about wether it's acceptable for children to watch it

Or worrying about the tone itself being too downtrodden and not being FUN because lord knows the only object of cinema is how much FUN you have.

The only acceptable way for carnage to be done is with a hard R. And I would absolutely love it if they did it,and they wouldn't have to have spider man beating thugs to death for it.


But keep speaking in extremes because you don't know how else to speak, Gerald the 3rd.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Except I didn't ask for any of that.

I said fox should go R rated.

And I've read spider man stories that would be improved by being r rated instead of being hamstrung to appealing to children.

And has nothing to do with spider man himself doing anything of the sort,rather the villains being able to be villains with real consequences to their actions and showing the gravity of what they can really do without having to worry about wether it's acceptable for children to watch it

Or worrying about the tone itself being too downtrodden and not being FUN because lord knows the only object of cinema is how much FUN you have.

The only acceptable way for carnage to be done is with a hard R. And I would absolutely love it if they did it,and they wouldn't have to have spider man beating thugs to death for it.


But keep speaking in extremes because you don't know how else to speak, Gerald the 3rd.

Yeah an R rated spider man movie wouldn't be about Peter being violent but it would be because of the subject matter or the nature of the story. Maximum Carnage, if they ever did it for God knows whatever reason, would have to be darker than anything that's been in a spider man movie. Kraven's Last Hunt would have to be R or at least a very strong PG 13. Superior Spider man would be the same. Spider-man's world is dark at times. He isn't but his world is.

I get your ultimate point though: Don't be afraid to try things and take risks. One of the writers on Collider said the same thing in his box office roundup for the weekend.

In other words, in the world of Marvel adaptations, there is now a provable metric that both giving directors like James Mangold and Tim Miller more control over a production and allowing for blood, cursing, and other darker element in a narrative is more lucrative than the kid-gloves PG-13 route. This isn’t to say that this will necessarily make for a better movie: Doctor Strange is a far more visually wondrous work than Deadpool and, often enough, proved to be funnier too. But where Doctor Strange fit into an increasingly insufferable formula that renders all Marvel narratives programmatic, Logan and Deadpool both feel singular, capable of standing on their own merits if producers were to ever allow them to be more than just a volume in a franchise. Of course, that will never, ever happen.

He's got a point. Doesn't mean I don't love most of the marvel flicks, minus those boring ass Thor movies and a couple other joints, there's something to be said for not adhering to formula. The Bond franchise tends to get stale when they follow formula and its why they switch it up every 10 years

 

[Knights89]

Spoiler: Charles

Kind of unsettling that Charles was the one that killed the X-MEN with his seizures and caused this whole dystopia world.

Spoiler

i had a thinking he was the cause of it, but they had they ten second radio announcement about the year before....killing seven mutants

 

[Malik1time]

Human kind would never accept mutants
When you think about it magneto was right in days of future past

 

[MartyMcFly]

Human kind would never accept mutants
When you think about it magneto was right in days of future past

Magneto's always been right. Prof X has always been idealistic and egalitarian. Much like MLK. But X's view is that with time, they'll find a way to live together and tolerate, not completely accept.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

Suicide squad would be a way better film than it is if at the outset they knew we are making an R rated film.

When you have to aim at pg 13 you have to make conscience decisions about what you are writing and what is and isn't acceptable.

Fox got the R rated juice right now.

They're 2/2.

They should explore this market instead of dumbing it down to compete with other comic book films box office draws.

And comic films do not have to be beholden to their property.


With Nolan's films I was always excited about how he would interpret the characters not about him copy/pasting something.

We would have never gotten the cinematic excellence of Bain if not for Nolan having free will to make it his own.

Some people whine about studios being too safe with their picks of writers and directors but don't want the out of the box choices to leave their own stamp. It's a paradox of whining.

If a studio persues a big name like a Nolan or a Fincher well guess what,they're going to want to leave their own stamp for better or worse.


Instead of being mad about what they're changing be open to seeing something you haven't.

An R rating in what I want is about exploring cinema to its fullest capability,instead of handcuffing yourself to appealing to everybody.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Suicide squad would be a way better film than it is if at the outset they knew we are making an R rated film.

When you have to aim at pg 13 you have to make conscience decisions about what you are writing and what is and isn't acceptable.

Fox got the R rated juice right now.

They're 2/2.

They should explore this market instead of dumbing it down to compete with other comic book films box office draws.

And comic films do not have to beholden to their property.


With Nolan's films I was always excited about how he would interpret the characters not about him copy/pasting something.

We would have never gotten the cinematic excellence of Bain if not for Nolan having free will to make it his own.

Some people whine about studios being too safe with their picks of writers and directors but don't want the out of the box choices to leave their own stamp. It's a paradox of whining.

If a studio persues a big name like a Nolan or a Fincher well guess what,they're going to want to leave their own stamp for better or worse.


Instead of being mad about what they're changing be open to seeing something you haven't.

An R rating in what I want is about exploring cinema to its fullest capability,instead of handcuffing yourself to appealing to everybody.

We didn't have to connect it to any larger 'universe.' Or as Jim keeps saying, 'we didn't have to sell Happy Meals.' And so that was great. Whereas, the last one, my favorite part is where he's in the middle of rural Japan and with this woman and being a human being and feeling what it's like to be a human being. But we're not there very long before we're back to giant robots and stuff. And then it becomes just another superhero movie with a lot of CG stuff. And we were trying to avoid that this time around and the studio had changed studio heads and they were very much into the idea of trying something new, because otherwise what's the point? The only way these movies have value is if they become about something else. They can't all about saving the world.

Why Logan Worked So Much Better Than The Wolverine, According To The Writer - CINEMABLEND

 

[Malik1time]

Magneto's always been right. Prof X has always been idealistic and egalitarian. Much like MLK. But X's view is that with time, they'll find a way to live together and tolerate, not completely accept.

Yup magneto was never a bad guy when you think of it if magneto murked the pres and his advisors in DOFP and round up all mutants to stand with each other half of all the shyt that went down would have been prevented

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

I agree with @TheGodling and @Prodigal Syndicate and @MartyMcFly and have been dapping all of their posts. I'm not sure what all the fighting is about

I must be getting coli

I'm a comic head so I agree the source material absolutely matters, I also believe that after decades of different interpretations the writers have the freedom to explore different versions or even come up with their own

R-rated only works if the story works. Suicide Squad could've still been weak if they included cursing and blood. The storytelling was the problem, WB wanting a supernatural threat was the problem. Disney wanting humor every 5 minutes in the MCU movies is the problem etc.

Logan would've been ill if he wasn't cursing and if it wasn't as graphic as it is. R-rated doesn't save it from having non-memorable villains etc.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I agree with @TheGodling and @Prodigal Syndicate and @MartyMcFly and have been dapping all of their posts. I'm not sure what all the fighting is about

I must be getting coli

I'm a comic head so I agree the source material absolutely matters, I also believe that after decades of different interpretations the writers have the freedom to explore different versions or even come up with their own

R-rated only works if the story works. Suicide Squad could've still been weak if they included cursing and blood. The storytelling was the problem, WB wanting a supernatural threat was the problem. Disney wanting humor every 5 minutes in the MCU movies is the problem etc.

Logan would've been ill if he wasn't cursing and if it wasn't as graphic as it is. R-rated doesn't save it from having non-memorable villains etc.

yeah my girl felt Logan could have been PG-13 and it wouldnt have taken too much away from the film.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

Except the fans have been crying for Rated R since the beginning.


We wanted that real violence because it matches wolverines dark story and personality


Removing the violence and swearing is patronizing because it's a decision to dumb down the content to appeal to kids. That's literally the only reason for it.

It doesn't match the story or character not to show it.

It's why spawn at pg 13 doesn't work


Some stories are not meant to be told anyway but unfiltered.

This was a story that needed to be R. It would not work at pg 13.


This was the first comic film(well and deadpool) that showed you the gravity of what these mutants can really do.

I mean how many times can you see characters with the power of God's fight and nobody being hurt and not roll your eyes.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Except the fans have been crying for Rated R since the beginning.


We wanted that real violence because it matches wolverines dark story and personality


Removing the violence and swearing is patronizing because it's a decision to dumb down the content to appeal to kids. That's literally the only reason for it.

It doesn't match the story or character not to show it.

It's why spawn at pg 13 doesn't work


Some stories are not meant to be told anyway but unfiltered.

This was a story that needed to be R. It would not work at pg 13.


This was the first comic film(well and deadpool) that showed you the gravity of what these mutants can really do.

I mean how many times can you see characters with the power of God's fight and nobody being hurt and not roll your eyes.

Right I would argue that while it wouldn't take away from the emotional impact of the story, it not being rated r wouldn't be true to the character. His world is violent and grisly and uncompromising. He drinks, he smokes, he curses and he's not the most friendly guy. Not being honest to that hurts your cause

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

And before someone goes well Nolan was able to do it in pg 13...



There's only one Nolan in the universe

And I'd argue being rated R would improve already brilliant films

 

[Malik1time]

Why are some of you guys arguing for