Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)

[pete clemenza]

Just saw this an hour ago...completely blown away by this movie and Phoenix performance... omggggg

Let's be real...Phoenix rendention was better than Ledger. Ledger was excellent but gets the "Tupac" treatment... yall know why.

Begging for another Joker movie of some sort with Phoenix. Epic

No.. hell of a performance from Phoenix but he had the entire movie to himself. Ledger didn't

 

[mbewane]

Just came and absolutely loved the movie. I saw all the Batmans but am not a big comics guy, so I didn't care about how it "fits" or doesn't with other movies. I went with no expectations, context, nor having seen any trailers. Phoenix absolutely kills this and he'd better be getting awards The cinematography, the score, everything is top-notch. Also I'm in France so the whole discussion about incels doesn't resonate here, but some interestingly have tied it more generally with social movements of people (like Gilets Jaunes, but also the rise of extreme-right) being fed up with the capitalistic system and overall corruption.

As to the whole discussion about Incels...

Spoiler: spoiler

So we know he makes up the whole story with that girl from Atlanta (forgot her name). That's not what sparks his rage though, and we don't even know if he kills her (I think he does, but really there's no indication at all). However, ironically the guys who are most incel-like are the three guys in the subway he kills. They look rich, spoiled, we hear one of them talking about how he "shoudl've gotten her number" when talking about a girl at the party they were at, and we see them mess with the girl reading her book. AND one of them says "Come on, he's being nice to you", which is exactly what I would imagine an Incel would say, because by being "nice" they EXPECT a response from women. So I would say they're the closest to Incels in the movie, and he kills them

 

[mbewane]

I think Phillip's comments may lead to some bias by some liberals who are aware of the comments he made. Just finished listening to a review on Slate, and you can tell his comments are influencing their opinions. Given the typical background of movie critics those comments seem to be biting him in the ass with that crowd.

Personally whenever I've seen documentaries on NYC in the late 70's and 80's I'm consistently surprised people didn't revolt against the elite. Especially when you take into consideration the elite in NYC are much more "accessible" for lack of a better word. And so the way the crowd reacted is not hamfisted or over simplified when you take into consideration the time period the film is set in.

Overall the film was great imo, I came in with low expectations. Phoenix was amazing, the music was surprisingly on point.

I've read reviews complaining about nihilism and a lack of hope, but the Joker's character has always been about embodying anarchy and exposing the flaws of shallow but prevalent social systems and norms. It's as though some critics wanted a highly noble anti-hero, who deviates from the system in some ways but still operates within it on its terms.

I hate it that critics are looking for "hope" in movies. The world is a fukked up place for a lot of people, who themselves are fukked up or end up that way. I understand people want to escape reality for a couple hours and whatnot, but there's tons of other movies that provide that escape.

 

[Strapped]

Weak start but ended ok , who was the guy who killed wayne & pulled arthur out of the police car ?

 

[L. Deezy]

Just came and absolutely loved the movie. I saw all the Batmans but am not a big comics guy, so I didn't care about how it "fits" or doesn't with other movies. I went with no expectations, context, nor having seen any trailers. Phoenix absolutely kills this and he'd better be getting awards The cinematography, the score, everything is top-notch. Also I'm in France so the whole discussion about incels doesn't resonate here, but some interestingly have tied it more generally with social movements of people (like Gilets Jaunes, but also the rise of extreme-right) being fed up with the capitalistic system and overall corruption.

As to the whole discussion about Incels...

Spoiler: spoiler

So we know he makes up the whole story with that girl from Atlanta (forgot her name). That's not what sparks his rage though, and we don't even know if he kills her (I think he does, but really there's no indication at all). However, ironically the guys who are most incel-like are the three guys in the subway he kills. They look rich, spoiled, we hear one of them talking about how he "shoudl've gotten her number" when talking about a girl at the party they were at, and we see them mess with the girl reading her book. AND one of them says "Come on, he's being nice to you", which is exactly what I would imagine an Incel would say, because by being "nice" they EXPECT a response from women. So I would say they're the closest to Incels in the movie, and he kills them

Great post..cuz Im not a big comics person either. Went in the same way..

Like as an overall film and not with the comic books outlook, this was epic.

 

[Rickdogg44]

This is why I hate the unreliable narrator trope sometimes. Because now we have to debate over everything. Might as well have a movie of him flying around with a squirrel sidekick defeating all of Gotham’s bad guys and then go “Was it real or fake?”

I think the movie does a clear job of showing what was fantasy. All the other speculations have me like

Spoiler: Spoiler

So you think it is all real except for "fake girlfriend " moments? I didn't think about him being saved from police car being fake until reading this thread

 

[Jax]

Just came and absolutely loved the movie. I saw all the Batmans but am not a big comics guy, so I didn't care about how it "fits" or doesn't with other movies. I went with no expectations, context, nor having seen any trailers. Phoenix absolutely kills this and he'd better be getting awards The cinematography, the score, everything is top-notch. Also I'm in France so the whole discussion about incels doesn't resonate here, but some interestingly have tied it more generally with social movements of people (like Gilets Jaunes, but also the rise of extreme-right) being fed up with the capitalistic system and overall corruption.

As to the whole discussion about Incels...

Spoiler: spoiler

So we know he makes up the whole story with that girl from Atlanta (forgot her name). That's not what sparks his rage though, and we don't even know if he kills her (I think he does, but really there's no indication at all). However, ironically the guys who are most incel-like are the three guys in the subway he kills. They look rich, spoiled, we hear one of them talking about how he "shoudl've gotten her number" when talking about a girl at the party they were at, and we see them mess with the girl reading her book. AND one of them says "Come on, he's being nice to you", which is exactly what I would imagine an Incel would say, because by being "nice" they EXPECT a response from women. So I would say they're the closest to Incels in the movie, and he kills them

Incel is not just a "bad" white boy. In my opinion the only pure incel in the movie is Joker.

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

Spoiler: Spoiler

So you think it is all real except for "fake girlfriend " moments? I didn't think about him being saved from police car being fake until reading this thread

I don’t know. I’m just choosing to believe everything as presented otherwise I gotta chuck the whole movie out the window.

 

[AkaDemiK]

Just saw it. fukking excellence. Wow.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Just came and absolutely loved the movie. I saw all the Batmans but am not a big comics guy, so I didn't care about how it "fits" or doesn't with other movies. I went with no expectations, context, nor having seen any trailers. Phoenix absolutely kills this and he'd better be getting awards The cinematography, the score, everything is top-notch. Also I'm in France so the whole discussion about incels doesn't resonate here, but some interestingly have tied it more generally with social movements of people (like Gilets Jaunes, but also the rise of extreme-right) being fed up with the capitalistic system and overall corruption.

As to the whole discussion about Incels...

Spoiler: spoiler

So we know he makes up the whole story with that girl from Atlanta (forgot her name). That's not what sparks his rage though, and we don't even know if he kills her (I think he does, but really there's no indication at all). However, ironically the guys who are most incel-like are the three guys in the subway he kills. They look rich, spoiled, we hear one of them talking about how he "shoudl've gotten her number" when talking about a girl at the party they were at, and we see them mess with the girl reading her book. AND one of them says "Come on, he's being nice to you", which is exactly what I would imagine an Incel would say, because by being "nice" they EXPECT a response from women. So I would say they're the closest to Incels in the movie, and he kills them

Exactly.. incels think because they are nice to a woman they should be rewarded by her time and sex. The upper middle class cacs are the worst with that shyt because they think everyone should want to be around them and women should be flocking to them

I didn't think much about all this talk about incel shyt while I was watching the movie but you make a strong point. The likely incels got clapped up

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

I think he did escape for a time after the car collision

Unless they undyed his hair?

 

[mbewane]

Spoiler: Thomas Wayne

It's just a very minor thing but I felt killing the Waynes was unnecessary at the end, seemed to be there just to make some sort of a forced connection with the Batman origin. It wasn't realistic, everybody probably knew about the clown riots, there's no way a wanna be mayor, powerful man like Thomas Wayne would just take a walk with his family on the street without any kind of protection in times like that. Thomas Wayne's portrayal was refreshing in the movie though, I liked that, in all Batman movies he's just the "poor guy who got killed by some a$$hole"

Spoiler: Wayne

I wondered about that myself, but I felt that the whole city is in pandemonium and total chaos, so if he had security maybe that secuirty is busy elsewhere or, who knows, rioting with the others. More likely, I feel that Thomas Wayne is the type of guy who doesn't wait for security to move, full of arrogance as he is.

One thing that had me laughing was...

Spoiler

Right before Arthur was bout to perform for the first time

There was audio of another comedian and he had a joke about men comparing sex to parked cars

"Oh there's a spot I like"

"Oh we will take any spot we can get"


"Handicapped? Hope no one sees this"

That's definitely a slight at the "PC culture"

I recently just watched The Shape of Water

That film is absolutely TERRIBLE

One of the most pretentious films I have seen in recent memory

Absolute trash, absolutely no redeeming qualities.

 

[Spades Of Aces]

Upon further thought....

The scene where he collects himself in the bathroom after the train incident might be one of the most defining, iconic moments of cinema to come out of this generation of film making. It is truly haunting and transformative.

The scene where kills his former co worker and has to help the midget out of his apartment, in the same movie as the above mentioned scene, is why the performance was so spectacular.

I think a sequel could work because the one piece we didn’t see was the ‘evil genius’ which he’s known for in the comics and other film adaptations. Knowing he’s narrating, knowing he’s fukking crazy and not quite sure what he did or didn’t do could set up and incredibly interesting sequel, even without Batman. For all we know, he thinks of himself in a sympathetic manner and doesn’t think of himself as evil genius, and he was much more manipulative than he remembers himself.

It’s already an Iconic movie brehs.

This is what has me excited about a possible sequel. The ongoing transformation! Like I mentioned earlier, a lot of people are comparing this Joker to Heath’s version but he’s not the Joker yet. The foundation for the Joker’s origin story has been set up masterfully. I’m just hoping Todd continues on with this. So much more to unpack.

 

[Tigron]

you still in this thread crying like a whore ??

 

[23Barrettcity]

Incel is not just a "bad" white boy. In my opinion the only pure incel in the movie is Joker.

How is he an incel