I agree with that too, but it is an ‘origin story’ and relative to heroes, they don’t have a grasp of their abilities or importance during their origin stories. It’s just more muddled with a character like the Joker. Like, I don’t see why this Joker couldn’t perhaps devleop to the level Heaths Joker operated at, although you do have to somewhat question his mental capacity to be a criminal mastermind in the future
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They need to catch a Franklin Murray special....
Yeah agreed, the way things came together relative to your point about Batman, it was really dope
My girl came with me and liked it from a character study perspective and she thought it was more tastefully done than she expected
She doesn’t know the Batman lore and such, so I enjoyed getting to tie some of that together for her after we got out the theater
Like you said, Batman fans really have to appreciate how some things fall into place. I would get into more specifics but spoilers and all
I always hated the new age notion of how Batman presence created supervillians and it was a needed retcon to Batman and Joker origins. It's a very contrived theme that wrote Batman into a corner thematically and ruins him. Toxic society creating these monsters is always and should be the bigger picture. Just because Batman and Joker have parallels. It doesn't necessarily mean they created each other directly. Batman creating Joker in the 1st place was an awful creative decision.
ItWasWritten
Superstar
Man ....
let me just say that .... heh ....
It’s like
I mean you know when you..... it’s just too much
cuz I’m like
excellent film!!!!!!
Phoenix is god level with his skill, like breh how you do that ?
a completely different take on the joker !!!! I was worried I would be comparing him to Heath the whole time but nah !!!! I didn’t even think about Heath
Heath got his lane tho he killed ...
but so did Phoenix ....
His skill level is through the roof ....
The cinematography??? 10/10 beautifully shot ... a joy to watch ...incredible scenery
I seen some people online complain about the plot but he is the whole plot ....
I loved this shyt
I’m going again tomorrow
let me just say that .... heh ....
It’s like
I mean you know when you..... it’s just too much
cuz I’m like
excellent film!!!!!!
Phoenix is god level with his skill, like breh how you do that ?
a completely different take on the joker !!!! I was worried I would be comparing him to Heath the whole time but nah !!!! I didn’t even think about Heath
Heath got his lane tho he killed ...
but so did Phoenix ....
His skill level is through the roof ....
The cinematography??? 10/10 beautifully shot ... a joy to watch ...incredible scenery
I seen some people online complain about the plot but he is the whole plot ....
I loved this shyt
I’m going again tomorrow
Marketing.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
this whole American fascination with making shoot style film.
disguised as kayfabe fascination with the villain needs to stop.
I know AMERICA is short on everything.
heroes included.
yet, America needs to re-invest in whatever it was during the war times.
that created stan Lee to create all the heroes at marvel all over again.
plus whatever energy was there culturally to create the longest and largest Jewish super entity and hero called Superman
as this whole fascination with the villain shyt is some COMPLETE AND UTTER NONSENSICAL ASININE DEGENERATIVE BULLshyt.
hopefully this movie tackles the full dialogue in this film.
as everything in this film and America needs to get away from these.
jadakiss why face ass explorative exposes.
all feature centrally on why i am the villain.
including all the complete lack of mores norms and components of good faith.
where only the werewolf changed pagan ass wanna be self reflective and explorative expose.
coupled with the how to for dummies clockwork orange manual on how to be a grade A piece of S.
only a five star movie subjectively *****.
if and only if it creates the change.
currently required globally on us all as people.
to stop being waiting and wandering victims.
hoping for a piece of S oppurtuntist based timing.
to give and try to hopefully warrant.
a self based victim blaming style excuse.
all to validate a phoney reason.
to authenticate carry over.
to give and become a false doctrined based authority figure.
who uses extreme and violent change.
as their only way of coping.
it is an excellent film.
if the global dialogue behind this film.
creates the change needed to combat and thwart/abolish.
The social and personal general effects of the American marketed and social global prison industrial complex
Art Barr
this movie also has a dialogue that will be need to be made.
if the concept I discussed in this review is lost.
including america's further rapid descent.
down the slippery slope of the rabbit hole called the american prison industrial complex
the american prison industrial complex is poison.
it needs to be recognized in general as poison.
not as the main dangerous ingredient digested globally everywhere.
disguised as kayfabe fascination with the villain needs to stop.
I know AMERICA is short on everything.
heroes included.
yet, America needs to re-invest in whatever it was during the war times.
that created stan Lee to create all the heroes at marvel all over again.
plus whatever energy was there culturally to create the longest and largest Jewish super entity and hero called Superman
as this whole fascination with the villain shyt is some COMPLETE AND UTTER NONSENSICAL ASININE DEGENERATIVE BULLshyt.
hopefully this movie tackles the full dialogue in this film.
as everything in this film and America needs to get away from these.
jadakiss why face ass explorative exposes.
all feature centrally on why i am the villain.
including all the complete lack of mores norms and components of good faith.
where only the werewolf changed pagan ass wanna be self reflective and explorative expose.
coupled with the how to for dummies clockwork orange manual on how to be a grade A piece of S.
only a five star movie subjectively *****.
if and only if it creates the change.
currently required globally on us all as people.
to stop being waiting and wandering victims.
hoping for a piece of S oppurtuntist based timing.
to give and try to hopefully warrant.
a self based victim blaming style excuse.
all to validate a phoney reason.
to authenticate carry over.
to give and become a false doctrined based authority figure.
who uses extreme and violent change.
as their only way of coping.
it is an excellent film.
if the global dialogue behind this film.
creates the change needed to combat and thwart/abolish.
The social and personal general effects of the American marketed and social global prison industrial complex
Art Barr
this movie also has a dialogue that will be need to be made.
if the concept I discussed in this review is lost.
including america's further rapid descent.
down the slippery slope of the rabbit hole called the american prison industrial complex
the american prison industrial complex is poison.
it needs to be recognized in general as poison.
not as the main dangerous ingredient digested globally everywhere.
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Remember, the psychological damage and anti-psychotic meds were starting to wear off a bit and he was beginning to become an agent of chaos....
Once he caught those bodies, he stopped smiling as that was his true self....the laughing tick is probably from the TBI caused by his step-dad...
Too many levels in this film...
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
Breh...we don't even know if any of that was real 
He prefers his past to be multiple choice because it's more fun that way
We know that the murders are real but even the whole involuntary laughter thing...for all we know that's bullshyt that he was telling the doctor at Arkham for sympathy, and he's just the same psychopath clown we know!!
He prefers his past to be multiple choice because it's more fun that way
We know that the murders are real but even the whole involuntary laughter thing...for all we know that's bullshyt that he was telling the doctor at Arkham for sympathy, and he's just the same psychopath clown we know!!
TheGodling
Los Ingobernables de Sala de Cine
Folks doing direct comparisons to Heath and Jack but that is exactly what you should stay away from, because most of these comparisons are really about the character's presentation and not the actor's performance (and in that light, Jared Leto always gets screwed because even though the performance is fine nobody cares about Trap Joker).
Phoenix' Joker doesn't really become the actual Joker until the third act, and I think you can argue even then he is still going through the transformation and it's not until the very end scene where we see the clown prince of crime fully embracing what he is. Comparing that to Heath's Joker who is fully formed from the start automatically creates a contrast in how the character needed to be played.
Side-note: I did see one huge missed opportunity in the story.
Phoenix' Joker doesn't really become the actual Joker until the third act, and I think you can argue even then he is still going through the transformation and it's not until the very end scene where we see the clown prince of crime fully embracing what he is. Comparing that to Heath's Joker who is fully formed from the start automatically creates a contrast in how the character needed to be played.
Side-note: I did see one huge missed opportunity in the story.
There should have been a moment where the nervous laughter kicks in and instead of suffocating and choking in it trying to suppress it, he just let's it all out and just laughs harder and harder until it becomes scary in its own right. That felt like a moment waiting to happen that didn't.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
if you give this movie bad marks.
without discussing in verbiage and detail why.
I know you are a complete shyt person.
plus are incapable of actually being intelligent and well versed enough on any topic for real. That is pertinent to life in America daily in an urban intellectual prescient space and mind frame.
in other words, you not as smart as you think you are.
as your lack of ability to illustrate why you drew your mark is telling.
take offense and get mad.
just know i got that table on me.
plus, the contract the gives me the right.
to create the decline and immediate destruction of your draw.
plus and everything included with it as well.
In other words say sumfin.
I got that table on me, tho.
art barr
without discussing in verbiage and detail why.
I know you are a complete shyt person.
plus are incapable of actually being intelligent and well versed enough on any topic for real. That is pertinent to life in America daily in an urban intellectual prescient space and mind frame.
in other words, you not as smart as you think you are.
as your lack of ability to illustrate why you drew your mark is telling.
take offense and get mad.
just know i got that table on me.
plus, the contract the gives me the right.
to create the decline and immediate destruction of your draw.
plus and everything included with it as well.
In other words say sumfin.
I got that table on me, tho.
art barr
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
100% co sign
These people saying that it will encourage mentally disturbed incels are completely missing the point
Breh...we don't even know if any of that was real
He prefers his past to be multiple choice because it's more fun that way
We know that the murders are real but even the whole involuntary laughter thing...for all we know that's bullshyt that he was telling the doctor at Arkham for sympathy, and he's just the same psychopath clown we know!!
I kind of wanted them to do more with the delusional stuff. The twist was nice, but it could of gone further, but nothing corny like the whole film being inside his head the whole time like when he fantasized like he did earlier in the film.
Its unfair to compare them because in TKDR Batman's opposition was Joker where this movie Arthur's opposition is internal