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I think Jill's biggest problem when it comes to snagging disgruntled Bernie supporters is that the more hardline folks are just Bernie supporters. They aren't in it for any other reason than they have latched onto Bernie and created this creepy cult of peronality around him and in their eyes it is Bernie or no one. Those are the folks that will either write in Bernie's name or just not vote.
The less deranged Bernie supporters who refuse to throe the baby out with the bath water will fall in line with the Dems and whine on every site they can post a message about how they "held their nose and voted for Clinton" but they will be voting for Hillary because progressive legislative change (as incremental as that change may be) has a better shot of getting pushed through with her than with Donald Trump.
And then there are the Ron Paul acolytes who had been looking for a rumpled old white man to be their political messiah since Ron's last go round and who will probably just vote for Donald Trump because they are bizarre and politically confused.
So Jill has a very narrow margin of lefty Bernie supporters who are tuned in enough to even know who Jill is that will be interested in voting for her just to make a point.
Well, they have this big Bernie Or Bust movement. Also, I have seen Stein pick up a little steam recently. I've done research and about 25% to 30% of Sanders supporters said that wouldn't support Clinton under no circumstance.
 

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Well, they have this big Bernie Or Bust movement. Also, I have seen Stein pick up a little steam recently. I've done research and about 25% to 30% of Sanders supporters said that wouldn't support Clinton under no circumstance.
Those are heat of the moment numbers. Once the primary is over and Sanders not only endorses but campaigns for Hillary those numbers will change.
Right now a lot of Bernie supporters are deep in their feelings.
 

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Those are heat of the moment numbers. Once the primary is over and Sanders not only endorses but campaigns for Hillary those numbers will change.
Right now a lot of Bernie supporters are deep in their feelings.
To be fair, Bernie did say that he wouldn't make his supporters vote for her. I don't understand why these people take our votes for granted like we owe them our vote. I wouldn't have a issue if she was honest and worked hard for the votes.
 

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To be fair, Bernie did say that he wouldn't make his supporters vote for her. I don't understand why these people take our votes for granted like we owe them our vote. I wouldn't have a issue if she was honest and worked hard for the votes.
No one can make anyone vote for anyone but when Bernie and Hillary are making nice a lot of his supporters will stop being angry and vote for Hillary over Trump.

And how exactly has she not worked for it? She has been on the same campaign trail as Bernie.
 

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No one can make anyone vote for anyone but when Bernie and Hillary are making nice a lot of his supporters will stop being angry and vote for Hillary over Trump.

And how exactly has she not worked for it? She has been on the same campaign trail as Bernie.
Come on man this woman insults the voters. Lets be honest, only reason why she's gotten this far is because she's a Clinton. If she was an unknown to the masses this shyt would have been over.
 

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Voted for her last time and plan on doing it again, even if Sanders is somehow nominated.

At this point, I'm more concerned with doing my part to defeat the two party system, no matter how futile that may be.

I vote based on my convictions.

For every progressive bread crumb that Hillary will give, she will do another 1000 things that run counter to my views and beliefs. She represents every that is wrong with the political system today.
 

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Voted for her last time and plan on doing it again, even if Sanders is somehow nominated.

At this point, I'm more concerned with doing my part to defeat the two party system, no matter how futile that may be.

I vote based on my convictions.

For every progressive bread crumb that Hillary will give, she will do another 1000 things that run counter to my views and beliefs. She represents every that is wrong with the political system today.
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Come on man this woman insults the voters. Lets be honest, only reason why she's gotten this far is because she's a Clinton. If she was an unknown to the masses this shyt would have been over.
What voters has she insulted? I am talking specifics.
And name recognition is always going to be a positive and a negative when you have been around as long as Hillary has. While she is easily recognizable that also carries baggage. Its a double-edged sword.
 

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What voters has she insulted? I am talking specifics.
And name recognition is always going to be a positive and a negative when you have been around as long as Hillary has. While she is easily recognizable that also carries baggage. Its a double-edged sword.
Have you seen what she's done as Secretary Of State? How about her supposed scandals. Please, don't say that shyt is Republican propaganda either be honest.
 

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Green Party responds to Stephen Colbert's repeat of the "spoiler" myth, urges Colbert to invite Greens to appear on his show
Why did Gore lose in 2000? Because 13% of Florida Democrats voted for Bush, GOP vote obstruction in Florida, and a biased Supreme Court ruling

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Green Party responded to Stephen Colbert's repeat of the "Nader spoiled" accusation during the Wednesday, May 18 broadcast of "The Late Show" on CBS, chiding the talk-show host for parroting a baseless Democratic Party propaganda myth.

"When you look at the actual numbers in 2000, it becomes clear that the spoiler allegation is the Democratic equivalent of the right-wing fringe belief that Barack Obama was born in Kenya," said Paul Pipkin, co-chair of the Green Party of the United States and Green candidate for Congress in Texas, 20th CD (Paul Pipkin US House of Representatives - Texas 2016 Green Party ).

Greens also corrected Mr. Colbert on his claim that Bernie Sanders "is now being courted by the Green Party to join their ticket" and noted that it would be nearly impossible, legally and logistically, for Mr. Sanders to launch a new campaign after the Democratic nomination. The Green Party has its own candidates for the Green presidential nomination ( Recognized Candidates Seeking the GPUS 2016 Presidential Nomination | Green Party of the United States ).

Greens have, however, invited Mr. Sanders to help promote the Green Party as a permanent independent alternative to the two corporate-money parties. Mr. Sanders has not responded.

"We know why Al Gore lost to George W. Bush in 2000. He lost because Florida GOP officials conspired with Choicepoint and allegedly obstructed between 50,000 and 90,000 voters, most of them Black; because Mr. Gore demanded a recount in only three counties instead of the entire state; because a biased Supreme Court decision handed Mr. Bush the White House; and because Democrats in the U.S. Senate unanimously confirmed Mr. Bush's questionable victory," said Audrey Clement, co-chair of the Green Party of the United States.

"But the biggest reason for Al Gore's loss is that he ran a weak campaign, failing to win even in Tennessee, his home state. 13% of Florida Democrats voted for Bush instead of Gore -- far more than those who voted for Ralph Nader -- and nearly half of the state's Democrats stayed home on Election Day," said Ms. Clement.

Jim Hightower, writing on Nov. 27, 2000, noted that "[There are two] Florida constituencies that cost [Al Gore] more votes than Nader did. First, Democrats. Yes, Democrats! Nader only drew 24,000 Democrats to his cause, yet 308,000 Democrats voted for Bush. Hello. If Gore had taken even 1 percent of these Democrats from Bush, Nader’s votes wouldn’t have mattered. Second, liberals. Sheesh. Gore lost 191,000 self-described liberals to Bush, compared to less than 34,000 who voted for Nader." ( How Florida Democrats torpedoed Gore )

Green Party leaders said that the Democratic Party and its defenders in the media have used "Blame Nader for Bush" to frighten voters away from alternative-party candidates ever since 2000. Ralph Nader was the Green Party's presidential nominee that year.

The spoiler myth has also made it easy for Democrats to defend unfair ballot-access laws designed by Democratic and Republican lawmakers to hinder alternative-party and independent candidates and to deny qualified Green and Libertarian nominees a place on the stage during the fall presidential debates.

Greens said that voters deserve the right to vote for whichever candidates best represent their interests and ideals, without being told that only two parties are legitimate.

"Those who accuse Ralph Nader of spoiling in 2000 are like the Yankees fan who watches his team play lousy baseball for eight innings in the final game of the World Series and sees the other team cheat -- and then he blames an umpire for sneezing during the ninth inning for the Yankees' loss," said Carl Romanelli, Green candidate for the U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania in 2006. "Behind the spoiler accusation is a craven mindset that says it's okay for a major-party candidate to steal an election, but not okay for a third-party candidate to run fair and square."

"We know that a lot of Bernie supporters and independents have no intention of voting for either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. You can't accuse a Green candidate of siphoning votes from Ms. Clinton if the votes come from people who never intended to vote for her in the first place," said Mr. Romanelli.

Polls have shown widespread dissatisfaction with the presumed Democratic and Republican nominees and a desire for more options on the ballot, especially among young voters ( http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...want-independent-candidate-over-clinton-trump ).

Stephen Colbert, during the May 18 broadcast, read from a book titled "See Ralph Run," blaming Mr. Nader and the Green Party for spoiling in 2000 as a way to discourage Bernie Sanders supporters from voting Green if they prefer the Green nominee to Hillary Clinton after she wins the Democratic nomination ( ).

The Green Party continues to urge those worried about the spoiler factor to support election reforms like Ranked Choice Voting (Green Party urges voters to demand Instant Runoff Voting, cites widespread public discontent with two-party choice in 2016).

"We invite Stephen Colbert to interview Green candidates on his show -- as David Letterman did in 2000 when he had Green nominee Ralph Nader on the Late Show," said Nancy Allen, who has served as press director for two Green gubernatorial campaigns in Maine. "Mr. Colbert has interviewed Republicans several times. Is he more afraid of Greens than Republicans?"

The Green Party will hold its presidential nominating convention in Houston, Texas, August 4-7 (http://www.gp.org/pnc-2016 / Media credentialing: http://www.gp.org/media-credentials ).

See also:

Poll Analysis: Nader Not Responsible for Gore's Loss
By Sam Smith, Undernews (The Progressive Review), July 2002
http://prorev.com/green2000.htm

Debunked: The Myth That Ralph Nader Cost Al Gore the 2000 Election
Disinfo, November 2, 2010
http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/

How often do third-party candidates actually spoil elections? Almost never.
By Philip Bump, The Washington Post, October 8, 2014
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-candidates-actually-spoil-elections-not-very


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Damn, Jill is on the ballot in even less states this cycle than she was in 2012.
And In PA she has till August 1st to get the necessary amount of signatures from PA residents to get her on the ballot. I am thinking she will probably need like around 50,000 signatures and considering she only got 20,000 votes in PA in 2012 I am not holding out much hope for her.

Every single Trump supporter should sign it
 
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