I think thats the final scene as well
Oh no doubt.
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Oh no doubt.
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all im saying is that to say Ned was on Jamie's level is a reach using the TV as evidence...all you gotta do is look at jamies face.
and by the end of the night tomorrow you will be like
Jaime smiles once during the fight after Ned barely misses...he's smug, that's just his personality. Just as he's a smug prisoner while Ned is a serious one.
You're using the book to refute a change made by the TV writers.
In the book, Jaime told his men to kill Ned's men and take Ned alive...they promptly killed Ned's men and stabbed Ned in the leg with ease (Ned's an average fighter, after all)
In the show, Jaime told his men to kill Ned's men and take Ned alive....they promptly killed Ned's men, but those who went at Ned got cut down (Ned's NOT an average fighter). Ned then squares up with Jaime and fights to a draw.
Ya, TV Ned was certainly on his level.
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This is bullshyt. It was unquestionably a draw...Jaime didn't put a mark on him. He wasn't Roy Jones-ing it out there, metal was meeting metal.
If they wanted to stay true to Ned being this inferior, average, fighter, while still adding the fight scene for entertainment purposes, they would've had Jaime strike Ned in the leg instead of one of his men sneaking him from behind....but they didn't.
Jaime fighting for laughs is a notion you book readers have conjured up to reconcile a change made the writers you weren't expecting....it's not what's actually shown on the screen.
Still, no one has answered why Jaime was so pissed his man interrupted the battle with this "average" fighter when he was just following orders...or why Ser Barrister lauded Ned as such a great fighter....or why Jaime so easily disposed of Ned's right hand man (described in this thread as "one of Ned's higher combating mooks") , yet couldn't do so with Ned himself.....
Incorrect.
In the Book, a horse falls on Ned's leg and all of his men are killed.
In the Show, Yeah Ned fought back and cut down peeps but what about Jory Cassel who cut down peeps to get to Jaime?
The only reason the fight scene was added because a horse falling on Ned Stark was kind of anticlimactic and not so flashy.
Jaime was disappointed that the fight ended that way. Jaime isn't a coward and can handle himself so that fakkit that speared Ned irritated him. Plus no one likes being interrupted when they're engaging in serious business (I know I don't)
As for Ser Barristan saying that which episode did he say that? I done forgot.
Jory Cassel is a captain at guard for Ned and has a Master at Arms for an uncle, Rodrik Cassel (white haired dude who got his head chopped off by Theon)
Your last question about why Jaime didn't quickly dispatch Ned I can't answer because I'm sure the action between Ned and Jaime was solely to express Jaime and for the sake of flashy violence.
Matter of fact the best proof that Jaime is the better swordsman is Jaime is rich and had better tutoring. Rodrik Cassel is the guy who teaches sword combat in Winterfell (and he was flabby and sick against some mountain clansmen) if Ned is on Jaime's level then Robb (we all know how he declined Jaime's trial by combat
) should be on Jaime's level as well (including Jory) which is fukking retarded.
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Ser Barristan said that right before Ned asked about the Lord of Flowers' shiny armor (season one, episode 4 or 5???)
If you have them d/l'ed or have hbogo, I know it's in the first five minutes of the episode.
I haven't read the books, was just going off what folks said in here.
That's a lot of reaching you just did. Ned being great does not require his son Robb to be great any more than it would require Jaime's son Joffery to be great. Same thing with the riches. Being rich is an advantage, but surely not a requirement. Having "it" is far more important. Sure, you gotta work at it too, but no matter how much time spent shooting in the gym, I'd never be able to shoot like Kobe....ditto rich guys who can't fight like Jaime.
If you have them d/l'ed or have hbogo, I know it's in the first five minutes of the episode.
I haven't read the books, was just going off what folks said in here.
That's a lot of reaching you just did. Ned being great does not require his son Robb to be great any more than it would require Jaime's son Joffery to be great. Same thing with the riches. Being rich is an advantage, but surely not a requirement. Having "it" is far more important. Sure, you gotta work at it too, but no matter how much time spent shooting in the gym, I'd never be able to shoot like Kobe....ditto rich guys who can't fight like Jaime.
Oh well, the show done deviated from the books enough times that I'll just let that shyt go and treat it separetly. Ned was on his level, fine
I'll just stick to the source material.
Nobody said that though.
LOL @ all these "if's"
Y'all tryna redfine what happened to fit your love of Jaime. Ya, he smiles after Ned barely misses him on an attempt, stop acting like he was smiling that entire bout.
Breh, draws don't exist in reality. If a basketball game ends 65-65 in the third quarter, neither team is going to take solace in a draw. There's a whole nother quarter to play, and one team wins. You can clearly see that Jamie turned it up after he saw how strong Ned was when they were sword to sword and Ned was pushing on him. Jamie was on his Goku shyt, conserving his power levels while Ned gave him everything he had.
Also, just cause Jamie is better than Ned, doesn't diminish Ned's skills with a sword. Jamie was just the god. Doesn't mean everyone he fought he made look foolish. Ned was a lord and had respect of all types of men. Of course he can hold his own, but NBA wise, he's an occasional all star, Joe Johnson type of player. Jamie is Kobe out that bytch.
Barristan: Life is strange, Not so many years ago we fought as enemies at the Trident.
Ned: I'm glad we never met on the field Ser Barristan as is my wife. I don't think the widows life would suit her.
Barristan: You're too modest, I've seen you cut down a dozen great knights.
Ned: My father told me you're the best he'd ever seen.
The bit from Episode 5.
REN is right, the show writers made Barristan say that shyt.
I withdraw everything I said.
Ned: I'm glad we never met on the field Ser Barristan as is my wife. I don't think the widows life would suit her.
Barristan: You're too modest, I've seen you cut down a dozen great knights.
Ned: My father told me you're the best he'd ever seen.
The bit from Episode 5.
REN is right, the show writers made Barristan say that shyt.
I withdraw everything I said.
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A team could be dominated and down 20 after 3 quarters and still win the game. You're making up your own finish to the fight....that's not what the TV writers chose to show. They showed a draw, so it was a draw.
This is how the writers show a great fighter toying with an inferior opponent
See the difference?
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Like I said the writers clearly made it seem like Ned was on Jaime's level. You saw this in the first episode in the dining hall when Jaime starts some ish with Ned and talking about the tournaments growing boring and it would be "good to have him". You also see Robert asking Ned "You still as good with a spear as you used to be?" Then there was Ser Barriston's comment, and Jaime basically salivating at the mouth for the chance to fight Ned.
This is a change made by the writers of the show to make Ned seem more bad ass, because it's cooler to have the main character be a great fighter rather then a relatively average swordsman like he is in the books.
This is a change made by the writers of the show to make Ned seem more bad ass, because it's cooler to have the main character be a great fighter rather then a relatively average swordsman like he is in the books.
this right here
brehs, whether you reppin the wolf, stag, lion, or dragon, we've wasted like 5 pages debating the sword skills of 2 fictional characters. lets just
and prepare to 
together tomorrow night!
this right here
brehs, whether you reppin the wolf, stag, lion, or dragon, we've wasted like 5 pages debating the sword skills of 2 fictional characters. lets just
that was what i was trying to say....TV Ned good but Kingslayer da Gawd
Ned was clearly a beast in his day.
But Jaime is one of the greatest swordsmen of his time.
1 on 1, both in their prime, Jaime would win.
No shame in that though tbf.
Barristan is still 'that dude', no one fukking with my boy selmy.
But Jaime is one of the greatest swordsmen of his time.
1 on 1, both in their prime, Jaime would win.
No shame in that though tbf.
Barristan is still 'that dude', no one fukking with my boy selmy.
