OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

[Silkk]

They fukked Jamie's arc so bad with him going back to Cersei
they just coulnt have Jamie kill Cersei and Jon kill the Dragon bytch at the same time

That shyt doesn’t get enough criticism.

Jon Snow would NEVER do no shyt like that in general, But he ESPECIALLY wouldn’t after the shyt the night’s watch did to him

Not to mention the fact that her dragon and entire army just let him walk away scott free










TF is “Scott Free”. Let me google this shyt I been using all my life

 

[Silkk]

Not mad at Jamie going byke to Cersei. More so mad about how they handled it + the pacing to getting him there after spending so much time on his "redemption" arc. In a perfect world, there's more time (and seasons ultimately) for him returning to her being fleshed out more and it all being more of a Shakespearean tragedy then how it ended up coming off on screen.

I don’t get what people thought he was gonna do though. Only reason he even left Cersei was to go fight the dead. He was always going back to her right after that:



He was still going to lead their war vs Danny knowing they stood no chance in it

 

[Trav]

I don’t get what people thought he was gonna do though. Only reason he even left Cersei was to go fight the dead. He was always going back to her right after that:



He was still going to lead their war vs Danny knowing they stood no chance in it

After them being so intricate with him and his storyline, and his journey with Brienne, that just isn't....compelling enough of a reason for me. That it was "always bound to happen".

It also ignores the nuance of how they chose to present show Jamie as a person, his arc + journey, etc. it undermines the character as the man they showed us who was battling with issues like loyalty, honor and the like.

You make it sound as if he was a robot who was programmed to "return home" the moment his duty was fulfilled and that's not the case, again, cuz of what the show runners chose to do with him.

You don't have him have the bath scene with Brienne then fast forward to the keep burnin' and the outlook he had then if that was your OG plan.

If it was "he was always going to go back" and then that's just that, then it's cheap, manipulative and on their behalf.

 

[daemonova]

That shyt doesn’t get enough criticism.

Jon Snow would NEVER do no shyt like that in general, But he ESPECIALLY wouldn’t after the shyt the night’s watch did to him

Not to mention the fact that her dragon and entire army just let him walk away scott free










TF is “Scott Free”. Let me google this shyt I been using all my life

Not Scott Free, he had to go to the Wall. Now, once he got to the Wall, he got with tormund and the Free folk and got away Scott Free. But nobody south of the Wall would know that because he never was going to back south of the Wall. Nobody is coming to Hardhomme to bring him back.

 

[Silkk]

After them being so intricate with him and his storyline, and his journey with Brienne, that just isn't....compelling enough of a reason for me. That it was "always bound to happen".

It also ignores the nuance of how they chose to present show Jamie as a person, his arc + journey, etc. it undermines the character as the man they showed us who was battling with issues like loyalty, honor and the like.

You make it sound as if he was a robot who was programmed to "return home" the moment his duty was fulfilled and that's not the case, again, cuz of what the show runners chose to do with him.

You don't have him have the bath scene with Brienne then fast forward to the keep burnin' and the outlook he had then if that was your OG plan.

If it was "he was always going to go back" and then that's just that, then it's cheap, manipulative and on their behalf.

It was always bound to happen though.

And its not him being a robot its that he loved her. More than anything else. Similar with Tyrion.



He’s always known who Cersei was. He didn’t care. No matter what anyone said or what she did.

 

[Silkk]

Not Scott Free, he had to go to the Wall. Now, once he got to the Wall, he got with tormund and the Free folk and got away Scott Free. But nobody south of the Wall would know that because he never was going to back south of the Wall. Nobody is coming to Hardhomme to bring him back.

He went North. There was no reason for The Wall anymore. The undead were gone and they were kliqued up with The Wildlings.

 

[Trav]

It was always bound to happen though.

And its not him being a robot its that he loved her. More than anything else. Similar with Tyrion.



He’s always known who Cersei was. He didn’t care. No matter what anyone said or what she did.

I feel u & I hear u on da him loving her beyond anything and anyone but for me at least, it's a simplistic way to view love + his character journey & the complexities of it all.

He clearly was shown to have some sort of internal struggle. On multiple occasions. Even if a mf don't change, a good story will at least explore the possibility of change even if dat mf backslide @ the end. But u gotta have the process on both ends is all I'm saying. EARN the regression and our reaction to it. Don't cheapen it & water it down after u been hittin' us with the top shelf shyt all this time.

That 1st vid just shows how toxic and dysfunctional their love was lol. It doesn't justify what he does later on.

And as Mel would prob say, love does not exist in a vacuum lol. It's not this singularity or overriding force. His love existed within his trauma, addiction, and overall sense of identity and all of those sides of him need to be explored (and we're at times for the most part) so go the extra mile on the bacc end too is all.

Again, long story less long, my problem isn't that "love" so called bought him back to her. It's that him returning wasn't properly explored in the way that it needed to be.

 

[ciubaca]

It was always bound to happen though.

And its not him being a robot its that he loved her. More than anything else. Similar with Tyrion.



He’s always known who Cersei was. He didn’t care. No matter what anyone said or what she did.

nah....Until she blew up the sept of baelor she wasnt a monster.
After that Jamie should've just
I get that "the things i do for love" was a big part of his character. He saved his father, brother, sister and all his b*stards
he was a fukking idiot (facing the dorthraki in an open field, charging at a dragon with a spear)

 

[ciubaca]

Somebody watching this again? keeps upping this thread?
Season 2 prince Theon pure comedy. As soon as he steps foot on thoese iron islands

 

[jdubnyce]

Might do a rewatch off the strength of the reup

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Anyway...


Came in here to say one thing I never understood the criticism for was Jamie going back to be with Cersei instead of killing her. They both showed numerous times how much them and their kids mean to each other. So not only did people expect him to go back and kill Cersei but also kill their unborn child when literally all three of their other children have already died?

On what planet would Jamie doing that make sense or track for him....?

No one expected him to kill her... They expected him not to go back, considering he already left her after realizing she gave no fukks

It's not like he got some new info... He got new p*ssy and then said "meeeeeh my sister's is better" and went back home

 

[Silkk]

No one expected him to kill her... They expected him not to go back, considering he already left her after realizing she gave no fukks

It's not like he got some new info... He got new p*ssy and then said "meeeeeh my sister's is better" and went back home

He left her to go fight the dead.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

He left her to go fight the dead.

Because she wasn’t doing shyt and lied about it and was gonna hide out.

So he went alone on some, fukk you you dumb broad, and cause he finally saw she wasn’t worth shyt


And when receiving zero new info that she had changed, while also finally redeeming himself, he just decides to go back to her



As with most things at this point in the show, they skipped to the result without any actual good storytelling that made it feel earned

 

[Silkk]

Because she wasn’t doing shyt and lied about it and was gonna hide out.

So he went alone on some, fukk you you dumb broad, and cause he finally saw she wasn’t worth shyt


And when receiving zero new info that she had changed, while also finally redeeming himself, he just decides to go back to her



As with most things at this point in the show, they skipped to the result without any actual good storytelling that made it feel earned

1. He’s always known she not shyt. He didn’t care. They made the shyt abundantly clear.

2. He went to go fight because he was needed just like everyone else.

Did you expect him to stay in cold ass winterfell and make warrior babies with brienne while Dany’s army went and ripped through KL?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

1. He’s always known she not shyt. He didn’t care. They made the shyt abundantly clear.

2. He went to go fight because he was needed just like everyone else.

Did you expect him to stay in cold ass winterfell and make warrior babies with brienne while Dany’s army went and ripped through KL?

See number 1 would make sense if he never left her to fight

Number 2 is invalid because he didn't bring anybody with him. So no... They did not need Jaime, 1 fukking human fighter with 1 arm, to help them win



Yes... That's exactly what everyone expected, hence the surprise when he said he was going home to her again