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this very site, batista is held in high-regard, and cena is mt rushmore status with alot of people on this board.
i completely agree with the bolded tho. thats exactly what i was thinking. bul was buggin when he posted that.
of course theyre not gonna mention all that when theyre trying to paint his run as a failure.
meltzer wasnt the only game in town. LOL. i didnt even know who meltzer was in '96. no offense but i dont have time to sit around doing google searches for random half-articles that prolly got wiped off the internet with compuserve. if you dont believe me, then fine. i was there tho.
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I flipped it off and started watching the A&E one on Roddy Piper. I just didn't feel like watching something that sad yesterday.
of course theyre not gonna mention all that when theyre trying to paint his run as a failure.
meltzer wasnt the only game in town. LOL. i didnt even know who meltzer was in '96. no offense but i dont have time to sit around doing google searches for random half-articles that prolly got wiped off the internet with compuserve. if you dont believe me, then fine. i was there tho.
Bruh, Warrior was in matches with HHH, Goldust, Jerry Lawler... and then he was gone in less than four months. Obviously he was gonna be one of the main faces, but it ain't like he was being skyrocketed to the top. You might be the only person I've ever seen saying his '96 run was some kinda big deal.
it was a big deal in the sense that he kept alot of fans from jumping over to WCW. he was like the last straw to grasp at.
i never said he was sky-rocketed. otherwise, he wouldve had the belt already.
Fyi vince wanted warrior back in 97 on a multi year deal
WCW was well on its way to beating WWF by then, the last time WWF topped Nitro in the ratings until '98 was in June of '96... so he wasn't really making that big of a difference. It's ok to say that lil run was a flop, I'm sure even he would at least admit it was nowhere near what it was expected to be.
Very interesting. I wonder if VKM was desperately grasping at straws? Or was he simply narcissistic enough to believe that he could propel UW to his former height in popularity.
That’s the power of ‘strucity either way.
i already addressed all this.
you cant carry ratings when youre barely on TV, and when you do show up, you just cut a quick promo or shoot a quick angle maybe twice a month for a dead-end feud. that doesnt change the fact that he rejuvenated their buzz when he returned, brought old fans back and was the only thing keeping them around, along with the others that were still loyal but about to switch to TNT permanently. why are we dancing around this??
yall going along with the narrative theyre spinning, as if the warrior was front-n-center every week getting dead reactions & dropping ratings. thats not true at all.
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its not that serious.
its like this: by late '94, WCW was basically running dream cards with dudes who wrestled in late '80s/early '90s WWF, the WCW guys of the era, along with alot of guys who bounced around. and the roster was deep all the way down to the weekend morning shows. then by the time nitro debuted, alot of the next gen guys were coming thru from japan, mexico, ECW, etc. they were essentially running the table. warrior was pretty much all they were lacking. WCW even tried to create their own ultimate warrior when they couldnt sign him.
WWF bringing the warrior back in '96 was a huge grab, even if it ended prematurely - right before they stepped up the booking for him and already had him announced as part of the next PPVs main event - which further illustrates that he wasnt a failure if they were beginning to insert him in the main events months into his return.
this whole spill about the warrior losing popularity is bullchit narrative. i was there. i was at the shows, on the boards, etc.
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It was never gonna be that '88-'91 level of Warrior popularity tho... that's not a narrative, that's just the truth. You can 'I was there' us to death but
so were the people who actually worked there. I was watching (barely) at the time, it was nowhere near him at his height. Warrior's presence wasn't shifting no ratings or helping them top WCW, just like his WCW run in 98 wasn't helping them beat WWF. People had moved on by the late-90s.It was never gonna be that '88-'91 level of Warrior popularity tho... that's not a narrative, that's just the truth. You can 'I was there' us to death but
i never said his popularity was peak-levels.
but he wasnt as far from it as people are making it seem for personal reasons.
you keep bringing up ratings, and i keep telling you that he was barely on TV. so why are you still trying to make the argument that they werent winning the ratings war??? youre pushing an agenda too.
and its no coincidence that when he left, the ratings that he boosted were instantly gone. but of course, nobody is gonna acknowledge that chit.
hell, look at when he went to WCW years later. you know how many WWF marks were tuned into nitro?? how many raw cats were discussing nitro on the forums and at school for like the first time ever?? and it only lasted while he was there. these WWF marks didnt pop up for bret hart coming off of the overhyped montreal screwjob, or none of that chit. if thats not a draw or an impact player, then i dont know what is.
but let revisionists tell it, he was a flop and couldnt adapt. nevermind the fact that tons of other old acts were still getting money.
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meltzer wasnt the only game in town. LOL. i didnt even know who meltzer was in '96. no offense but i dont have time to sit around doing google searches for random half-articles that prolly got wiped off the internet with compuserve. if you dont believe me, then fine. i was there tho.
Either post what you said was reported or just flat out admit this is your opinion of what was going to happen.
Damn poor Jake and Robin.
i never said his popularity was peak-levels.
but he wasnt as far from it as people are making it seem for personal reasons.
you keep bringing up ratings, and i keep telling you that he was barely on TV. so why are you still trying to make the argument that they werent winning the ratings war??? youre pushing an agenda too.
and its no coincidence that when he left, the ratings that he boosted were instantly gone. but of course, nobody is gonna acknowledge that chit.
hell, look at when he went to WCW years later. you know how many WWF marks were tuned into nitro?? how many raw cats were discussing nitro on the forums and at school for like the first time ever?? and it only lasted while he was there. these WWF marks didnt pop up for bret hart coming off of the overhyped montreal screwjob, or none of that chit. if thats not a draw or an impact player, then i dont know what is.
but let revisionists tell it, he was a flop and couldnt adapt. nevermind the fact that tons of other old acts were still getting money.
An "agenda"
aight, you right... Warrior was as popular as ever, that Lawler feud was really movin the needle. You got it. I have no agenda to push, I'm a regular mf that ain't in the wrestling business talkin to another regular mf that ain't in the wrestling business. Your fandom for the Ultimate Warrior is not allowing you to just admit ya mans wasn't that hot no more. It's cool. There were still people buying Big Daddy Kane albums in '94, so you know... you're not alone.