Official "Dark Side Of The Ring" Discussion Thread (OFFICIALLY RENEWED FOR SEASON 7)

[ig88]

Gino one was a reach

Dude was coked out his mind while selling it.

I almost felt like the mom was working us. Why would you be scared for 30 years?

Why would a guy who “threatened” you that gino owed a LOT of money pay for the funeral which included a PLATINUM casket and champagne on deck?

He coulda been killed but it coulda been anybody and prolly a robbery. shyt all it woulda took is a needle ful of liquid coke... mix it from his sugar bowl and faucet. Hit him and run. He dead.

 

[Hey_zeus]

Gino one was good .They kinda glossed over how all the cocaine in his system wasn't possible for him to ingest.

 

[TrueEpic08]

Gino one was a reach

Dude was coked out his mind while selling it.

I almost felt like the mom was working us. Why would you be scared for 30 years?

Why would a guy who “threatened” you that gino owed a LOT of money pay for the funeral which included a PLATINUM casket and champagne on deck?

He coulda been killed but it coulda been anybody and prolly a robbery. shyt all it woulda took is a needle ful of liquid coke... mix it from his sugar bowl and faucet. Hit him and run. He dead.

Because of this:

United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee, v. Jon Harold Royal, Defendant-appellant, 972 F.2d 643 (5th Cir. 1992) (Here's a different version if the formatting isn't to your liking: United States v. Jon Harold Royal, 972 F.2d 643 – CourtListener.com)

Note paragraphs 8 and 9 of the document:

First, Royal complains of the denial of his motion to exclude evidence that a customer of his, Geno Hernandez, died in 1986 as a result of using cocaine Royal supplied. During cross-examination, he denied that he was Hernandez's supplier at that time. A government rebuttal witness testified that the Defendant supplied the cocaine to LeBoeuf, who was unable to sell it as planned because there was something wrong with it, and that LeBoeuf then gave it to Hernandez. The government argues that this evidence is relevant to the conspiracy charge because Royal initially intended for Hernandez to take over his cocaine business and chose LeBoeuf for this position only after Hernandez died. This evidence is also relevant, the government contends, to impeach the Defendant's testimony that he had discontinued all drug trafficking activities by the time Hernandez died.

We are sympathetic to Royal's argument that the evidence of Hernandez's death was improperly admitted. The government could have offered evidence that the Defendant supplied cocaine to Hernandez in 1986 and intended to pass on his drug business to Hernandez to establish the details of the conspiracy and the time frame in which his drug activities occurred without also offering evidence that Hernandez's death resulted from "bad" cocaine that originated with Royal. In light of the other evidence against the Defendant, this evidence was completely unnecessary to the government's case and we discern no purpose other than prosecutorial overkill in the government's insistence that it be admitted.

Neither you, nor your family, get away from guys like this easily. Regardless of whether they're locked up or not.

To directly answer the question of why they paid for the funeral and put on such a ridiculously lavish one at that: to cover their tracks and launder drug proceeds. Real easy to hide all of that in the form of generosity to the family of an "associate."

I'm watching the last 20 minutes or so of the documentary right now, so I wonder I'll they'll directly talk about this after Hernandez' mother brought up Jon Royal's name when asked about his death.

 

[ig88]

Because of this:

United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee, v. Jon Harold Royal, Defendant-appellant, 972 F.2d 643 (5th Cir. 1992) (Here's a different version if the formatting isn't to your liking: United States v. Jon Harold Royal, 972 F.2d 643 – CourtListener.com)

Note paragraphs 8 and 9 of the document:





Neither you, nor your family, get away from guys like this easily. Regardless of whether they're locked up or not.

To directly answer the question of why they paid for the funeral and put on such a ridiculously lavish one at that: to cover their tracks and launder drug proceeds. Real easy to hide all of that in the form of generosity to the family of an "associate."

Same paragraph says royal was gonna make gino the GUY but he died. They apparently were a crew.

I'm watching the last 20 minutes or so of the documentary right now, so I wonder I'll they'll directly talk about this after Hernandez' mother brought up Jon Royal's name when asked about his death.

Nothing there even implies any problem between royal and gino at all. Royal gave some other guy coke who gave it to gino.. the end sentence basically says “this has nothing to do with the case... it is overkill and not necessary”.

The guy at ends basically says royal him and gino were all friends and they were just trying to make extra money and that gino himself was dealing with them. The paragraph you posted says royal wanted to pass the op to GINO but he died. Id check the lebeuf guy if anything. These apparently were a crew together. Maybe labeuf guy got jealous and spiked the coke . Idk.

i could see someone killing him. But His moms? Thatll just bring in more heat if they were connected as they were (which we find out they werent really). If it was a coverup it ended there. Im still confused how the whole autopsy got swept under the rug. It just seems like some movie shyt ... alleged killers visiting the mom and giving a eulogy... i dont believe it and if you watch the end SHE herself stops believin it.

I get it was a older woman with no types of experience in this stuff but going through the whole doc as if he was murdered for SURE for it all to be “just a drug overdose dont worry” in the last 30 seconds was a cheap drama pop imo.

 

[TrueEpic08]

Nothing there even implies any problem between royal and gino at all. Royal gave some other guy coke who gave it to gino.. the end sentence basically says “this has nothing to do with the case... it is overkill and not necessary”

The guy at ends basically says royal him and gino were all friends and they were just trying to make extra money and that gino himself was dealing with them.

i could see someone killing him. But His moms? Thatll just bring in more problems if they were connected as they were (which we find out they werent really) If it was a coverup it ended there.

I get it was a older woman with no types of experience in this stuff but going through the whole doc as if he was murdered for SURE for it all to be “just a drug overdose dont worry” in the last 30 seconds was a cheap drama pop imo.

You're being obtuse. I'm not bringing it up because of the actual ruling on the murder's relevance to his case, but because it's even there at all and Royal wanted it excluded from his trial. He probably didn't want any type of focus on a potential murder when fighting the drug trafficking charges. It's a huge smoking gun in favor of the argument that Royal was directly involved with his death.

Also, are you really going to believe a guy who just got out of prison on drug trafficking charges regarding the death of a man who had said trafficker's drugs in his system when he died? Also remember that murder has no statute of limitations. There's no reason for him to actually admit to anything he might be prosecuted over (however unlikely such prosecution might be).

Bringing up Royal only to reverse course didn't really sit well at all with me, especially given how weird other details of his death and funeral were (the bizarre autopsy report?). I don't believe Royal for the reasons I noted above, while I think the other guy is either only partially telling the truth or only knows so much himself (I'll give you the point about his mother though).

It just seemed like a way to get a nice, tidy ending out of an inherently messy situation.

 

[boriquaking]

Gino one was a reach

Dude was coked out his mind while selling it.

I almost felt like the mom was working us. Why would you be scared for 30 years?

Why would a guy who “threatened” you that gino owed a LOT of money pay for the funeral which included a PLATINUM casket and champagne on deck?

He coulda been killed but it coulda been anybody and prolly a robbery. shyt all it woulda took is a needle ful of liquid coke... mix it from his sugar bowl and faucet. Hit him and run. He dead.

I wouldnt say she was working us, but these types tend to wander off with their stories.

 

[ig88]

You're being obtuse. I'm not bringing it up because of the actual ruling on the murder's relevance to his case, but because it's even there at all and Royal wanted it excluded from his trial. He probably didn't want any type of focus on a potential murder when fighting the drug trafficking charges. It's a huge smoking gun in favor of the argument that Royal was directly involved with his death.

Also, are you really going to believe a guy who just got out of prison on drug trafficking charges regarding the death of a man who had said trafficker's drugs in his system when he died? Also remember that murder has no statute of limitations. There's no reason for him to actually admit to anything he might be prosecuted over (however unlikely such prosecution might be).

Well the documentarians and his mother believed the other guy who was obviously doing it with them. Believe one ex coke dealer and not the other coke dealer, about the death of a wrestler/coke dealer? All these guys flipped on royal and the govt implies the snitches only got there cuz gino died and royal was to leave the business to him. Lebeuf coulda been the other guy.

The documentary goes on that someone was following gino. That he was paranoid. Now maybe royal was lying but he PUT HIMSELF with gino the night he died at a club. So gino obviously wasnt paranoid of him. We dont have police reports he would have been questioned.

Ive heard diff things about how much coke he had in him or he swallowed it or whatever but the doc dont make it very clear.

Link says Royal was arrested a year before ginos death. So there goes “protected” story and give a possible reason for paranoia. Point is royal was no stranger to police and was already awaiting trial (thats why girl said in church scene “he hiding from police”) which out him away 4 months later (he plead GUILTY btw...).

So na. Not obtuse. Im calling this carny sensationalism. The documentary and details DO NOT match. Murder is just the better story.

 

[TRIPLE M]

Looks like season 2 is green lit
They need to do the following
Jimmy Snuka
Death of Abismo Negro
Hardbody Harrison and his prostitution ring
Rikidozan
Barry O

 

[Hey_zeus]

Looks like season 2 is green lit
They need to do the following
Jimmy Snuka
Death of Abismo Negro
Hardbody Harrison and his prostitution ring
Rikidozan
Barry O

This list would be amazing. The E ain't letting them use footage for these.

 

[robb]

highly enjoyed The Handsome Halfbreed Gino episode.
dude lived the Life.
80's and early 90's dallas was crazy

 

[Heelish]

Gino episode was the only wack one, they were super reaching. I’m sure next episode will be great like the others.

at his wife being baffled as to why the police report mistakenly listed down “Hispanic” for dude

Also, checked out his wiki:

According to former WCCW colleague Jake Roberts, Hernandez was involved with the gay community in Houston.

Next stupid conspiracy will be that he had an Apartment In DallaS

 

[patscorpio]

yeah the gino ep wasnt good...shyt was boring actually

 

[MenacingMonk]

Never heard of this Gino dude. Should I give this one a watch?

 

[Big Jo]

Looks like season 2 is green lit

Where did you hear this??

I'm not surprised because the show seems to have a great buzz, but havent heard season 2 green lit yet

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

Are we going to gloss over the fact that Gino was basically a Mr. Pibb version of Ric Flair?