Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

[Tony D'Amato]

I know you're concern trolling again so how is 2020 similar to 2004 outside of a Republican President being the incumbent?

Because everyone knew Bush was in over his head and nobody thought he would win re-election. Then he started making it seem like only he could keep America safe and u slowly start seeing polls tightening. And then he won and the world was shocked.

 

[MoneyTron]

Because everyone knew Bush was in over his head and nobody thought he would win re-election. Then he started making it seem like only he could keep America safe and u slowly start seeing polls tightening. And then he won and the world was shocked.

Bush had a breakeven favorability at the time. Trump is hovering around -10.

Bush still had 9/11 to fall back on.

Biden is polling far ahead of Kerry and is significantly outraising him as well.

There was no slow tightening. It was tight the entire time until September. That's not the case this time.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2004 - General Election: Bush vs. Kerry

 

[Fctftl]

Bush had a breakeven favorability at the time. Trump is hovering around -10.

Bush still had 9/11 to fall back on.

Biden is polling far ahead of Kerry and is significantly outraising him as well.

There was no slow tightening. It was tight the entire time until September. That's not the case this time.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2004 - General Election: Bush vs. Kerry

Plus Kerry had that backlash about his military service (even though it wasn't proven), while Trump is becoming more unpopular with the military every day.

 

[King Static X]

Because everyone knew Bush was in over his head and nobody thought he would win re-election. Then he started making it seem like only he could keep America safe and u slowly start seeing polls tightening. And then he won and the world was shocked.

Bush won in 2004 because many Americans still suppoted the rally around the leader effect after 9/11, the Iraq War wasn't unpopular yet, John Kerry's military service was criticized by the right, also people forget that in 2004 that Bush supported a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. The GOP had a whole bunch of anti-gay marriage ballot initiatives in 11 states and that drove many conservative/Republican voters to the polls. The country was much more conservative on gay marriage back then.

Even with all of that, Bush 43 still only won the PV by 2.4% ( and by 16 EC votes). 2004 was much closer than people realize.

 

[DrDealgood]

Ohio was stolen in 2004 by Rethuglican fukkery. That was the election.

 

[MoneyTron]

Plus Kerry had that backlash about his military service (even though it wasn't proven), while Trump is becoming more unpopular with the military every day.

Bush won in 2004 because many Americans still suppoted the rally around the leader effect after 9/11, the Iraq War wasn't unpopular yet, John Kerry's military service was criticized by the right, also people forget that in 2004 that Bush supported a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. The GOP had a whole bunch of anti-gay marriage ballot initiatives in 11 states and that drove many conservative/Republican voters to the polls. The country was much more conservative on gay marriage back then.

Even with all of that, Bush 43 still only won the PV by 2.4% ( and by 16 EC votes). 2004 was much closer than people realize.

Swiftboating is in the public vocabulary for a reason.

Kerry never recovered from that.

 

[DrDealgood]

The Case for Consequences

Already the theoretical hand wringing over this shyt. Biden and Harris MUST see this through or the same rot will consume us for I dunno how many decades to come. In the words of a Twitter pundit "a Transnational Crime Syndicate Masquerading as a Government"

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Bush had a breakeven favorability at the time. Trump is hovering around -10.

Bush still had 9/11 to fall back on.

Biden is polling far ahead of Kerry and is significantly outraising him as well.

There was no slow tightening. It was tight the entire time until September. That's not the case this time.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2004 - General Election: Bush vs. Kerry

I don't trust any poll on Trump. Some of his supporters are not proud to be a supporter, but will vote for him. And for whatever reason, he polls better than Biden on the economy. Which is horrifying.

The Iraq war was immediately unpopular from what I remember.

 

[Conan]

Funny how if Biden loses, the argument will be, 'the dems screwed it up' rather than, 'America is racist as hell.'

Eh? It can be both, believe it or not

Should be a layup for the Dems (even considering R fukkery). Let's not lower expectations now

LOL, nah. Van Jones isn't going to be in the audience. Also, the last time Biden did a townhall like this....it worked in his favor. It showed his empathetic side.

I like Biden in the town hall setting, he seems like a natural. Only danger is the chance of him having a brainfart but even those seem to be of a rarer occurrence now.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

I still have flashbacks of those Election day results coming in. Ohio was close. Then he just started squeaking out wins in democratic strongholds.


I also think Putin is changing votes. Nobody will convince me otherwise.

 

[MoneyTron]

I don't trust any poll on Trump. Some of his supporters are not proud to be a supporter, but will vote for him. And for whatever reason, he polls better than Biden on the economy. Which is horrifying.

The Iraq war was immediately unpopular from what I remember.

You believe the polls on the economy, but not the polls on actual voting preference?

Aight breh, good luck out there.

 

[Reality Check]

One question i wanted to ask before:
Im not from the US so I dont have all the info about it, but I remember reading a while back that while trump is ignorant & a piece of shyt, the good thing is his incompetence and low iq makes him his own biggest enemy. Then people were talking about how it would be much worse if Pence was actually in charge, because he is also immoral & a pos, but much smarter and could actually execute far worse stuff than trump due to not being completely retarded. So my question is: Is Pence really this dark entity in the background who could do more damage, because I never really see him talked about in any shape or form ?

Not really. Trump saved Pence's political career by adding him as VP; before that the party was pushing for him not to run again for Governor of Indiana. As mentioned by others, Pence is polarizing but for completely different reasons than Trump.

 

[Conan]

I don't like the comparison between 2004 and today (other than the Democrat party serving up mid).

Can't remember the documentary I watched but the swiftboat controversy didn't have a noticeable impact on the race between Kerry and Bush. Bush was still riding high off 9/11, and Iraq had not become a quagmire at that point. Plus Bush's stances on abortion and education. Kerry just wasn't up to par in position and stature to take down Bush. That said, he was the best of a even mid-der bunch in the primaries. Edwards, Sharpton, Dean...

 

[Tony D'Amato]

You believe the polls on the economy, but not the polls on actual voting preference?

Aight breh, good luck out there.

Yep.

Its like some of u forgot 2016

 

[Conan]

I don't trust any poll on Trump. Some of his supporters are not proud to be a supporter, but will vote for him. And for whatever reason, he polls better than Biden on the economy. Which is horrifying.

The Iraq war was immediately unpopular from what I remember.

Iraq started nose-diving in 2005. There were protests in major cities after the invasion but overall Americans saw it as another effort to keep the homeland safe. Americans are a dumb people in general.

Bush wasn't Teflon in 2004, but if he could have run again in 2008, he would have been destroyed. Obama took the high road many times but he ran McCain out the paint (between Iraq, the economy, Katrina...)