Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)
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Oddly enough too, if College was like $2,000 like 1970's, I don't think people would mind as much about Free Education. It's just that when I left my college, which was like a public one in 2007, I had $32k under my name and my parents had co-signed some of their name.
I was making initial payments of $175 a month, but then the last 2 years they forced me to pay $350. The last loan payment I made was 2 years ago, and the loan company didn't even say thanks (which I know, since they really just care about my money even though I paid on time).
In the end I was paying 10 years for that shyt.
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For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Even the costs of textbooks now can be eye catching
I graduated around the same time with only about $18k in debt and I'm still paying it.
Signed up for income-based repayment a few years after when I was broke and only had to pay $100 a month..years later and I'm still doing that.
I think people are against free college for the same reason they're against any social program. They don't want to feel like their taxes are paying for things for people they think are undeserving (
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Yeah what pissed me off in a sense. Was that the text books, at least some of them, were like returnable. Like for example a book on, "Your Capstone Project". But for the Coding/IT stuff, it was already outdated because that stuff is already old in two years.
I found no need to go for my Masters, but I wouldn't know, but I can imagine that costs in 2020 have inflated so much that it's basically a Home Mortgage.
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
shyt I seen some medical school debts and shyt turned heads. Imagine if they salary wasn't so high. Between lawsuits and shytI graduated around the same time with only about $18k in debt and I'm still paying it.
Signed up for income-based repayment a few years after when I was broke and only had to pay $100 a month..years later and I'm still doing that.
I think people are against free college for the same reason they're against any social program. They don't want to feel like their taxes are paying for things for people they think are undeserving (
Here comes the drama 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ccc4fa-f4a1-11ea-b796-2dd09962649c_story.html
Sanders voices concern about Biden campaign - The Washington Post
Sen. Bernie Sanders speaks during the Democratic National Convention in late August. (AP)
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is privately expressing concerns about Joe Biden’s presidential campaign, according to three people with knowledge of the conversations, urging Biden’s team to intensify its focus on pocketbook issues and appeals to liberal voters.
Sanders, the runner-up to Biden in the Democratic primary, has told associates that Biden is at serious risk of coming up short in the November election if he continues his vaguer, more centrist approach, according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive talks.
The senator has identified several specific changes he’d like to see, saying Biden should talk more about health care and about his economic plans, and should campaign more with figures popular among young liberals, such as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.).
Asked for comment, Sanders’s team provided a statement from Faiz Shakir, the senator’s former campaign manager in the presidential race, saying that Sanders is “working as hard as he can” to get Biden elected but has advised some strategic adjustments.
“Senator Sanders is confident that Joe Biden is in a very strong position to win this election, but nevertheless feels there are areas the campaign can continue to improve upon,” Shakir said. “He has been in direct contact with the Biden team and has urged them to put more emphasis on how they will raise wages, create millions of good paying jobs, lower the cost of prescription drugs and expand health care coverage.”
Shakir said Sanders “also thinks that a stronger outreach to young people, the Latino community and the progressive movement will be of real help to the campaign.”
The Biden campaign declined to comment.
Sanders led a surging liberal faction during the Democratic primaries and scored early successes in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada before ultimately falling short. His critique of Biden’s approach reflects his status as a longtime stalwart of the party’s left and a self-described democratic socialist.
But it is rare for such a prominent party figure to repeatedly voice private criticisms of the party’s nominee and acknowledge them publicly, especially in the campaign’s final stretch. Sanders’s decision to do so suggests the ongoing frustration among liberals, who urgently want Biden to defeat President Trump but are upset that he has taken a relatively centrist path.
Biden is determined not to play into attacks from Trump seeking to cast him as a radical or a socialist. The nominee has distanced himself from elements in his party calling for defunding the police, implementing a single-payer health plan and banning hydraulic fracturing, or fracking. Sanders supports the latter two policies.
Still, Sanders has worked hard to publicly support Biden, and Democrats are eager to avoid the divide between the senator and Hillary Clinton that hurt the party in 2016. On Saturday, Sanders is slated to host a virtual town hall that is expected to express support for Biden.
But Sanders contends Democrats have the best chance of winning if they stress economic populism, those close to him said, rather than if they embrace a sole strategy of attacking Trump and avoiding hot-button issues.
Until now, there had been few outward signs of discord between Biden and Sanders. Shortly after the senator ended his campaign in April, he promptly endorsed Biden, offering an unequivocal stamp of approval.
Associates of both men say they personally like each other, having been Senate colleagues. After Biden emerged as the presumptive nominee, the two formed a series of task forces, made up of allies of both men, that crafted policy recommendations on health-care, climate change and other topics.
In some ways, Biden has moved closer to Sanders’s brand of populism as left-leaning activism has surged inside and outside the Democratic Party. He has talked of a Franklin D. Roosevelt-style presidency if he wins and urged sweeping change to combat the novel coronavirus, racism and other issues.
But Sanders has come to worry about the Biden campaign’s prospects, even as the Democratic nominee leads Trump in the national polls, associates said. Surveys in some potentially pivotal states show a closer race between Biden and Trump, stoking nervousness among Democrats still traumatized by Clinton’s 2016 defeat.
The people familiar with Sanders’s private conversations said he has a expressed a sentiment that the liberal, millennial slice of the party has not received the attention its merits. As a candidate, Sanders drew big crowds of hundreds — sometimes thousands — of young, enthusiastic people with left-leaning views.
Another Sanders concern, according to one of the people, is that the Biden campaign has kept its distance from some of the marquee surrogates who campaigned for Sanders and helped him attract a large following. Ocasio-Cortez, for example, has not campaigned closely with Biden.
As a candidate, Sanders frequently emphasized his economic plans, which were geared toward curtailing wealthy and powerful interests and championing working-class people. Biden has recently been touting his “Build Back Better” plan, which calls for immense new investments in American jobs and industry.
And in questioning Biden’s outreach to Latino voters, among whom Sanders showed strength in the Democratic primary, the senator is touching on a topic that is increasingly on the minds of Democratic leaders.
Polls have shown Biden leading Trump among Latinos, but not as widely as many Democrats hoped. As a result, fretful discussions are underway in the party about Biden’s standing with Latino voters in battleground states such as Florida, Arizona, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, where Latinos could play a pivotal role in the outcome.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ccc4fa-f4a1-11ea-b796-2dd09962649c_story.html
Sanders voices concern about Biden campaign - The Washington Post
Sen. Bernie Sanders speaks during the Democratic National Convention in late August. (AP)
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is privately expressing concerns about Joe Biden’s presidential campaign, according to three people with knowledge of the conversations, urging Biden’s team to intensify its focus on pocketbook issues and appeals to liberal voters.
Sanders, the runner-up to Biden in the Democratic primary, has told associates that Biden is at serious risk of coming up short in the November election if he continues his vaguer, more centrist approach, according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive talks.
The senator has identified several specific changes he’d like to see, saying Biden should talk more about health care and about his economic plans, and should campaign more with figures popular among young liberals, such as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.).
Asked for comment, Sanders’s team provided a statement from Faiz Shakir, the senator’s former campaign manager in the presidential race, saying that Sanders is “working as hard as he can” to get Biden elected but has advised some strategic adjustments.
“Senator Sanders is confident that Joe Biden is in a very strong position to win this election, but nevertheless feels there are areas the campaign can continue to improve upon,” Shakir said. “He has been in direct contact with the Biden team and has urged them to put more emphasis on how they will raise wages, create millions of good paying jobs, lower the cost of prescription drugs and expand health care coverage.”
Shakir said Sanders “also thinks that a stronger outreach to young people, the Latino community and the progressive movement will be of real help to the campaign.”
The Biden campaign declined to comment.
Sanders led a surging liberal faction during the Democratic primaries and scored early successes in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada before ultimately falling short. His critique of Biden’s approach reflects his status as a longtime stalwart of the party’s left and a self-described democratic socialist.
But it is rare for such a prominent party figure to repeatedly voice private criticisms of the party’s nominee and acknowledge them publicly, especially in the campaign’s final stretch. Sanders’s decision to do so suggests the ongoing frustration among liberals, who urgently want Biden to defeat President Trump but are upset that he has taken a relatively centrist path.
Biden is determined not to play into attacks from Trump seeking to cast him as a radical or a socialist. The nominee has distanced himself from elements in his party calling for defunding the police, implementing a single-payer health plan and banning hydraulic fracturing, or fracking. Sanders supports the latter two policies.
Still, Sanders has worked hard to publicly support Biden, and Democrats are eager to avoid the divide between the senator and Hillary Clinton that hurt the party in 2016. On Saturday, Sanders is slated to host a virtual town hall that is expected to express support for Biden.
But Sanders contends Democrats have the best chance of winning if they stress economic populism, those close to him said, rather than if they embrace a sole strategy of attacking Trump and avoiding hot-button issues.
Until now, there had been few outward signs of discord between Biden and Sanders. Shortly after the senator ended his campaign in April, he promptly endorsed Biden, offering an unequivocal stamp of approval.
Associates of both men say they personally like each other, having been Senate colleagues. After Biden emerged as the presumptive nominee, the two formed a series of task forces, made up of allies of both men, that crafted policy recommendations on health-care, climate change and other topics.
In some ways, Biden has moved closer to Sanders’s brand of populism as left-leaning activism has surged inside and outside the Democratic Party. He has talked of a Franklin D. Roosevelt-style presidency if he wins and urged sweeping change to combat the novel coronavirus, racism and other issues.
But Sanders has come to worry about the Biden campaign’s prospects, even as the Democratic nominee leads Trump in the national polls, associates said. Surveys in some potentially pivotal states show a closer race between Biden and Trump, stoking nervousness among Democrats still traumatized by Clinton’s 2016 defeat.
The people familiar with Sanders’s private conversations said he has a expressed a sentiment that the liberal, millennial slice of the party has not received the attention its merits. As a candidate, Sanders drew big crowds of hundreds — sometimes thousands — of young, enthusiastic people with left-leaning views.
Another Sanders concern, according to one of the people, is that the Biden campaign has kept its distance from some of the marquee surrogates who campaigned for Sanders and helped him attract a large following. Ocasio-Cortez, for example, has not campaigned closely with Biden.
As a candidate, Sanders frequently emphasized his economic plans, which were geared toward curtailing wealthy and powerful interests and championing working-class people. Biden has recently been touting his “Build Back Better” plan, which calls for immense new investments in American jobs and industry.
And in questioning Biden’s outreach to Latino voters, among whom Sanders showed strength in the Democratic primary, the senator is touching on a topic that is increasingly on the minds of Democratic leaders.
Polls have shown Biden leading Trump among Latinos, but not as widely as many Democrats hoped. As a result, fretful discussions are underway in the party about Biden’s standing with Latino voters in battleground states such as Florida, Arizona, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, where Latinos could play a pivotal role in the outcome.
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I knew Bernie Sanders and his cult wasn’t done tryna help Trump get 4 more years.
Here comes the drama
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The comments from Bernie stans under this tweet make me fukking sick. They are among the worst on that platform by far.
There seems to be no race Bernie couldn't of won, no viewpoint that a majority of Americans wouldn't disagree with, or any messaging Trump could've stuck to them.
Apparently Biden is running a shytty campaign and if Bernie was running he'd be up 20. That's exactly no one takes them seriously.
I fukk with Bernie to an extent, I voted for him in two primaries, but at this point he needs to just focus on making sure his people turn out for Biden instead of staying home or writing him in. 
He has a point about Latino support though. I'm not sure why Biden is struggling with that demographic but he needs to do something.
He has a point about Latino support though. I'm not sure why Biden is struggling with that demographic but he needs to do something.
trump would have crushed bernie, for the same exact reason that biden beat bernie the the primary
i cant imagine how intellectually bankrupt someone would have to be, to not understand that
Sanders Expresses Concerns About Biden Campaign
Bernie can sit the fukk down and STFU especially with his "NEW New Testament" goons running rampant on Rose Twitter with their Sermonizing circle jerks. Maybe he can convince them not to vote for Hawkins and write in Nina at this point but somehow I doubt it
He has no record of political success in elections to point to
I suppose he has some secret pollster Biden's camp are ignoring
I knew Bernie Sanders and his cult wasn’t done tryna help Trump get 4 more years.
I don't understand what the issue is. Most of Bernie's voters are in Biden's camp. This is in the polling, its baked in. Bernie has been a very good surrogate for Joe. He's expressing these things in private with him and the campaign. I don't understand why you're so angry. Twitter isn't real life.
Bernie is holding events with state leaders in the battleground states and encouraging his supporters to turn out. Just go on his pages, look at his media appearances.
The Latino vote is a big issue that Dems are now just waking up to seeing that they lagged behind on for months. Its not to be taken lightly.
They think everything is 2016. They were shytting on Bernie last week when he praised Joe's economic plan.
trump would have crushed bernie, for the same exact reason that biden beat bernie the the primary
i cant imagine how intellectually bankrupt someone would have to be, to not understand that
We'll never know that. The head to head polling was in Sanders favor in the Spring before Biden won the nomination. He was generally where Biden was at with weaknesses in FL, GA, NC, AZ but with similar strength to Biden in the Midwest. This was before COVID-19.
With that said, the Sanders campaign of 2020 was run by amateurs unlike his run in 2016 which was ran by experienced politicos.
Sanders Expresses Concerns About Biden Campaign
Bernie can sit the fukk down and STFU especially with his "NEW New Testament" goons running rampant on Rose Twitter with their Sermonizing circle jerks. Maybe he can convince them not to vote for Hawkins and write in Nina at this point but somehow I doubt it
He has no record of political success in elections to point to
I suppose he has some secret pollster Biden's camp are ignoring
So Bernie wants Biden to campaign with AOC.
The only thing I agree with in that article is the economic populist messaging.