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I believe everyone is eligible for emergency care now. Does M4A expand this or keep it as is?
I don't know.

How is the current system working out? Has it been extremely expensive? Has it been a drain on emergency room resources? Has it led to unnecessary suffering? Would you prefer something better?
 

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Didnt watch the town hall, but apparently Berngawd BODIED that shyt

And he released his tax returns. Let's see what the hillary hoes move the goalpost to now
Anti-Trump conservative Conor Friesendorf gave him a rousing review.

Bernie Sanders Pierces the Fox News Bubble

Bernie Sanders Pierces the Fox News Bubble

A town hall on the network was a risk for the self-described “democratic socialist.” It paid off.

APR 16, 2019
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LUCAS JACKSON / REUTERS

On Monday night, Fox News aired a town hall with Bernie Sanders, a front-runner in the 2020 Democratic primaries. The self-described “democratic socialist” took a risk appearing on the populist-right network. It paid off.

Overall, the senator from Vermont set forth several of his platform’s most popular planks, avoided gaffes, and answered almost every question to audience applause.

Three moments were especially striking. First, Sanders was touting Medicare for all when the Fox News moderators Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum asked the audience members to raise a hand if they currently receive health insurance from an employer. Many hands went up. And by a show of hands, how many would be willing to switch to the health-care system that Sanders was proposing instead? Almost everyone appeared to raise a hand again—a result that seemed to surprise the moderators, who had already told viewers that the group in the auditorium was ideologically diverse.

Second, Sanders used the town hall to address President Donald Trump directly, urging him to end U.S. involvement in the war in Yemen per a resolution that both houses of Congress have passed. “Sign that resolution,” Sanders challenged. “Saudi Arabia should not be determining the military or foreign policy of this country."

Third, on a night when the moderators repeatedly challenged Sanders on his statements, raising concerns, there was one big claim they did not even question. “Whether you’re a conservative, a moderate, or a progressive,” Sanders said, “I don’t think the American people are proud that we have a president who is a pathological liar. And it does not give me pleasure to say that.”

Under any previous president, moderators would have expressed shock at such a statement. But it is so obviously true that the sitting president is a pathological liar that even moderators on Fox let the characterization stand. “Trump cannot even tell the truth as to where his father was born,” Sanders said. “It’s really that crazy. His father was born in New York; he claims he was born in Germany. If you can’t even tell the truth about where your father was born, it’s hard to believe anything he says.”

It wasn’t a perfect night.

Sanders was at his most disappointing when he touted a popular subsidy that would disproportionately benefit relative elites (free college tuition); was vague about how he intends to pay for his agenda; and explained why he has opposed so many free-trade agreements, which is to say, policies that increase the size of the economic pie, helping the United States afford more social-welfare spending. He sometimes impugned the motives of those who challenge the practical viability of his proposals, as if they’re all just bought-off shills.

Still, he stepped into one of the more significant filter bubbles that divide red from blue America. He was decent in his manner, pleading for comity, embracing universalist rather than identitarian language, decrying racial injustice and anti-Muslim demagoguery, and mincing no words in correctly labeling Trump a pathological liar. His strengths outshone his flaws in front of a TV audience that many Democrats have a hard time reaching, having written it off as deplorable, if not irredeemable. He showed other Democratic candidates the way forward and warmed up the Fox audience to left-wing ideas.

For having a constructive discussion despite their significant differences, Sanders and Fox deserve congratulations and that highest form of flattery: imitation.
 

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Better question. Does he have something better to offer? To be preferred?

I’ll list them all :ehh:

Healthcare- Canadian style block grants(for each state) calculated annually using a per capita formula.
From there let the states craft the system that suits them best.

Wages- Leave it to the states, remove the federal min altogether.

SS- I’d prefer a Singapore system to avoid placing the burden of the present generation’s welfare costs onto the next generation. Singapore makes no promises but instead requires all citizens to save up to 36% of their income for their own retirement and health care. The government invests the savings in stocks and bonds; the money is not used for current expenditures.

Taxes- I’d like taxes lowered across the board and the withholding system done away with, this is how its done in “democratic socialist” Sweden and i think its a good system, each individual writes a check to the government themselves, sees exactly how much their fair share is, and can (in my opinion) better assess policy’s with that knowledge.
 
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I’ll list them all :ehh:

Healthcare- Canadian style block grants(for each state) calculated annually using a per capita formula.
From there let the states craft the system that suits them best.

Wages- Leave it to the states, remove the federal min altogether.

SS- I’d prefer a Singapore system to avoid placing the burden of the present generation’s welfare costs onto the next generation.” Singapore makes no promises but instead requires all citizens to save up to 36% of their income for their own retirement and health care. The government invests the savings in stocks and bonds; the money is not used for current expenditures.

Taxes- I’d like taxes lowered across the board and the withholding system done away with, this is how its done in “democratic socialist” Sweden and i think its a good system, each individual writes a check to the government themselves, sees exactly how much their fair share is, and can (in my opinion) better access policy’s with that knowledge.
You just threw out some random issues and none of them even suggest a solution to anything, they're just a shifting of responsibility.

The "let the states control" is particularly bad for Black folk. The states with the largest Black population also happen to have the most racist, incompetent White governments who have no qualms about keeping the Black population as a permanent underclass. They've already proven they can't be trusted to preserve Black people's civil rights, but you want them to have even greater control over their wages and health care?
 

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Faiz’s influence is all over the official campaign pushback over Neera and ThinkProgress. That email from Bernie was a more in-depth rebuke of a specific media attack than we ever saw him or his team pull off two years ago

The response got CAP to disavow the ad. Bernie’s 2016 team was not smart enough to pull something like this off.
 

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Faiz’s influence is all over the official campaign pushback over Neera and ThinkProgress. That email from Bernie was a more in-depth rebuke of a specific media attack than we ever saw him or his team pull off two years ago

The response got CAP to disavow the ad. Bernie’s 2016 team was not smart enough to pull something like this off.

There’s bad blood. She called Faiz a fukker in those leaked Podesta emails.


 

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It is funny how bad they are at their jobs. I mean, they donated to numerous candidates that lost the US House, US Senate, and many state legislative seats.

The fact they automatically say Bernie will lose the election if nominated signals they will not put a penny to support him vs. Trump. It'll be similar to the Never Trump donors in the GOP, namely the Koch network, that shifted to funding US House and US Senate candidates and getting maintaining a Republican Congress in 2016.
establishment democrats would rather trump in the white house than bernie :yeshrug: it's that simple

hell, napoleon would rather have trump in the white house than bernie
 

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You just threw out some random issues and none of them even suggest a solution to anything, they're just a shifting of responsibility.

The "let the states control" is particularly bad for Black folk. The states with the largest Black population also happen to have the most racist, incompetent White governments who have no qualms about keeping the Black population as a permanent underclass. They've already proven they can't be trusted to preserve Black people's civil rights, but you want them to have even greater control over their wages and health care?
I don't believe there are solutions to the issues listed just trade offs... and yes I believe the decisions should be made as close to the people as possible, by officials more easily held accountable.
Some state will be fukked som e will prosper, but i believe this is good long term. Bad ideas must be allowed to fail and die.:yeshrug:
:ehh:Hopefully “the good whites” pass reparations, and we wont have to worry about the black condition in nazi states.
 
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