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Did you read the last page of the news? The campaign had to denounce racism because of two fukking anonymous accounts

It's not stupid to respond to this bad faith bullshyt that only Bernie has to answer for and this Twitter shyt doesn't matter. No one's getting hung up on anything, Brie's responding to the racism she gets. It's a just a tweet. There's nothing empirical saying that responding to a tweet is not strategic. Bernie's base has already been labeled as hostile by Clinton people in 2016 so there's nothing that's gonna change it.

I'm not tripping over a group with less members than the DSA. They're promoting the ridiculous narrative that Bernie supporters are "White terror from the left" because paying members of the WFP asked to see the vote totals like last time and those random "white terror" accounts have now turned out to be people that aren't white. WFP is being unnecessarily hostile by finding anon accounts that can be anyone and say they support anyone and then getting 100 verified Twitter people to sign a letter getting his campaign to denounce it. Either WFP believes in and models transparency and democracy in its processes. Or it doesn’t.

I can find tons of tweets from other candidates psycho supporters but I'm not gonna trip and force a campaign to make a statement about it because they shouldn't have to answer for randos
Either twitter matters or it doesn't. If it does matter, which I would argue the Sanders campaign believes more than any other campaign, then how the campaign officials and supporters choose to communicate on it matters as well. If it doesn't matter, then who cares about people talking shyt about the campaign and his supporters on it? It can't be both ways. I personally believe that while Twitter's demographics make it unrepresentative of the broader public, it does matter because it's now a mainstream communication channel that has real world impact (see: Trump). As a side note, I think it's funny to see all the anti-Liz people (not you) claim twitter doesn't matter in the wake of this when they've been divining her entire health care position from a single tweet with the word "access" in it.

I don't believe Bernie's actual movement is trading in "white terror" or any stale, reheated 2016 Clinton smears, but the movement's online presence definitely features some ugly, regressive, dark energy. It's to be expected when you're courting the disenfranchised and fringe. I don't think Bernie himself has done anything to promote that, but I think his campaign is responsible for conjuring some of these sentiments when they flirt with certain conspiratorial and unnecessarily antagonistic lines of attack. It can make the movement an unwelcoming place for people who are on the fence or not already actively committed to Bernie. For many of his most online/fringe supporters, that's a feature, not a bug. But I think it's a bad approach to take for a movement committed to the noble goal of actually, fundamentally changing the very nature of this society. America won't be healed by extremely online dirtbag leftist dipshyts who tweet about Elizabeth Warren or the WFP being centrist shill enemies of progress. Being magnanimous and welcoming is the path to victory and true change, not the bitter resentment that animates a notable segment of his online support.
 

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Either twitter matters or it doesn't. If it does matter, which I would argue the Sanders campaign believes more than any other campaign, then how the campaign officials and supporters choose to communicate on it matters as well. If it doesn't matter, then who cares about people talking shyt about the campaign and his supporters on it? It can't be both ways. I personally believe that while Twitter's demographics make it unrepresentative of the broader public, it does matter because it's now a mainstream communication channel that has real world impact (see: Trump). As a side note, I think it's funny to see all the anti-Liz people (not you) claim twitter doesn't matter in the wake of this when they've been divining her entire health care position from a single tweet with the word "access" in it.

I don't believe Bernie's actual movement is trading in "white terror" or any stale, reheated 2016 Clinton smears, but the movement's online presence definitely features some ugly, regressive, dark energy. It's to be expected when you're courting the disenfranchised and fringe. I don't think Bernie himself has done anything to promote that, but I think his campaign is responsible for conjuring some of these sentiments when they flirt with certain conspiratorial and unnecessarily antagonistic lines of attack. It can make the movement an unwelcoming place for people who are on the fence or not already actively committed to Bernie. For many of his most online/fringe supporters, that's a feature, not a bug. But I think it's a bad approach to take for a movement committed to the noble goal of actually, fundamentally changing the very nature of this society. America won't be healed by extremely online dirtbag leftist dipshyts who tweet about Elizabeth Warren or the WFP being centrist shill enemies of progress. Being magnanimous and welcoming is the path to victory and true change, not the bitter resentment that animates a notable segment of his online support.
He reached a million donors faster than any candidate in history.

Twitter is not real life.
 

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He reached a million donors faster than any candidate in history.
Yeah, this is sick as hell and it's a good sign for Bernard!

Twitter is not real life.

Twitter isn't real life, but it has real life consequences. It's the most relevant communication channel for large and meaningful segments of the public. Treating it like it doesn't matter is a bad idea, imo. :yeshrug:
 

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Twitter isn't real life, but it has real life consequences. It's the most relevant communication channel for large and meaningful segments of the public. Treating it like it doesn't matter is a bad idea, imo. :yeshrug:
Oh it matters, just not in the way Bernie's revolution sweeping the nation right now without the help of any mainstream media coverage does.

Hopefully Comrade Bernie will order Twitter deleted and purge anyone who speaks of it.
 

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THese Iowa polls of late ain’t good for Bernie

Makes sense he’s doing staffing changes

But how does this campaign expand beyond its base?
He's less than 4% with 55 and older voters lmao which I think is his worst number with that subgroup ever.

Iowa definitely is his worst state out of the first 3 but here's an interesting tweet about how online polling and phone polling measures his support in Iowa polls in August/September. Internal polling in Iowa probably shows somewhat similar numbers to the Selzer poll which is why he's back on this "bernie beats trump tour"
 
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He's less than 4% with 55 and older voters lmao which I think is his worst number with that subgroup ever.

Iowa definitely is his worst state out of the first 3 but here's an interesting tweet about how online polling and phone polling measures his support in Iowa polls in August/September. Internal polling in Iowa probably shows somewhat similar numbers to the Selzer poll which is why he's back on this "bernie beats trump tour"


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Because it furthers the narrative that his campaign is dying and progessives are moving away from him. I talked about it before and I have to mention it again because I've been noticing too much smoke, get ready for other 'progessive' orgs to do the same. If you thought there was too much stock put into the WFP endorsement, just wait til the Sunrise movement and Justice Dems throw Bernie to the bushes.

Thankfully Bernie's team is pushing back



yeah i never trusted justice dems after they ousted cenk and in effect kyle kulinski for very SJW type reasons. they seem like hilary supporters.
 

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yeah i never trusted justice dems after they ousted cenk and in effect kyle kulinski for very SJW type reasons. they seem like hilary supporters.
I might write a long post about it one day but the 2016 message got co-opted by social/career climbers who are really just gonna morph into standard center left dems. The professional "progessive" class doesn't have the same material needs as the mass movement crowd Bernie is trying to galvanize. Their lives don't depend on it.

I've been noticing too much fukkery from the Justice Dem "leftism" crowd in the past year. They're not gonna do shyt, they're gonna morph right into the party. Money rules all. We will never have free, universal healthcare in the U.S.

Lmao imagine putting "Senior Democratic strategist" in your Twitter bio and not recognizing that the uber-wealthy Democrat/Republican donors are on the same team and will work to crush any working class movement. "I'm not sure why?" You know exactly why! stop concern trolling

 

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I might write a long post about it one day but the 2016 message got co-opted by social/career climbers who are really just gonna morph into standard center left dems. The professional "progessive" class doesn't have the same material needs as the mass movement crowd Bernie is trying to galvanize. Their lives don't depend on it.

I've been noticing too much fukkery from the Justice Dem "leftism" crowd in the past year. They're not gonna do shyt, they're gonna morph right into the party. Money rules all. We will never have free, universal healthcare in the U.S.

Lmao imagine putting "Senior Democratic strategist" in your Twitter bio and not recognizing that the uber-wealthy Democrat/Republican donors are on the same team and will work to crush any working class movement. "I'm not sure why?" You know exactly why! stop concern trolling


I seen you use 'professional progressive' a couple of times. Did you read This Frank's book "Listen Liberal" or did you make it up? He talks a lot about professionalism and how it leads Democrats to do Republican like policies or take their positions.
 

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Smh.... new attack on Bernie trying to lump him in with Trump

Despite being proof he was pro LGB since 1972...




 
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