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djthegreat88
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Don't it take 2 sides for a trade to happen? Cincy don't seem to be serious about trading him just like Cleveland wasn't with Garrett and LV wasn't with Crosby. He hasn't went anywhere yet and Detroit wasn't the only team that was interested. NFL players gonna damn near always take the money no matter how much they talk about playing for a contender. Just too much to risk in that sport to pass up for sure money.So they can trade a bunch of picks for a wide receiver but not Trey Hendrickson?
Piff Perkins
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Really hoping for a safety today. Kerby and Branch are elite but…that’s all we have. Kind of baffled that drafting depth has been less of a priority than signing free agent depth.
Edge rusher wise the Lions met with Que Robinson (Alabama) and Fadil Diggs (Syracuse) during the pre-draft process. Both are still available.
Edge rusher wise the Lions met with Que Robinson (Alabama) and Fadil Diggs (Syracuse) during the pre-draft process. Both are still available.
FukkaPaidEmail
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perfectly happy with the first two picks . Both filled needs and when I was following the draft via Brett Killian/PFF guys they all immediately said these were “Dan Campbell/Lions players” ..so it fits their theme and culture and are talents. Gotta be crazy to NOT be ok with it if this is the case.
Don’t mind WR in the third …they did give up A LOT for him . Didn’t watch Arkansas like that at all last year and the first and only time I heard of this dude was when I watching draft rankings on YouTube a couple weeks ago ..based on his combine stuff he seems to have tools so it’s a wait and see
Don’t mind WR in the third …they did give up A LOT for him . Didn’t watch Arkansas like that at all last year and the first and only time I heard of this dude was when I watching draft rankings on YouTube a couple weeks ago ..based on his combine stuff he seems to have tools so it’s a wait and see
djthegreat88
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Brad Holmes NFL Draft Day 2 Press Conference | April 25, 2025
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Brad was annoyed as hell about all the edge questions. Really think he believes it was injuries and it wasnt that bad. Hutch and Davenport are starters with Pascal, Muhammed, Oconner, and hopefully Z Smith as backups. With Levi and Wingo can also be able to play inside and out. Reeder, Tyleik, Alim, Lopez all in DT rotation.
Brad has earned the benefit the doubt. Gonna let him cook. He’s been best drafter in NFL since he got job.
FukkaPaidEmail
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The EDGE shyt is weird because (1) everyone is acting like this draft was full of high level players there (it wasnt just a lot of C level guys)) and (2) that EDGE rookies come in and contribute from day 1 …they mostly don’t . 6’1 250 josiah Stewart ain’t coming in and contributing immediately. Tate Ratledge can come in and 100% start right awayBrad Holmes NFL Draft Day 2 Press Conference | April 25, 2025
Hear from Detroit Lions executive vice president & general manager Brad Holmes following Day 2 of the 2025 NFL Draft.Subscribe to the Lions YT Channel: https...
Brad was annoyed as hell about all the edge questions. Really think he believes it was injuries and it wasnt that bad. Hutch and Davenport are starters with Pascal, Muhammed, Oconner, and hopefully Z Smith as backups. With Levi and Wingo can also be able to play inside and out. Reeder, Tyleik, Alim, Lopez all in DT rotation.
Brad has earned the benefit the doubt. Gonna let him cook. He’s been best drafter in NFL since he got job.
Piff Perkins
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Round 1, Pick 28 — Tyleik Williams, DT, Ohio State
Round 2, Pick 57 — Tate Ratledge, G, Georgia
Round 3, Pick 70 — Isaac TeSlaa, WR, Arkansas
Round 5, Pick 171 — Miles Frazier, G, LSU
Round 6, Pick 196 — Ahmed Hassanein, EDGE, Boise State
Round 7, Pick 230 — Dan Jackson, S, Georgia
Round 7, Pick 244 — Dominic Lovett, WR, Georgia
Solid draft but the biggest flaw to me is that 100 pick exile between TeSlaa and Frazier. I understand giving up 130 to move up for Ratledge, who multiple reporters are saying was going to the Raiders if we didn't move up. But it cost us a legit safety or possibly a better edge rusher. Ironically 130 ultimately went to the Jets, who took Malachi Moore. AG gets his (poor man's) Brian Branch. That's who I wanted to add some actual depth to that room, beyond the two elite guys we have.
Once again I'm not saying I have an issue with the trade...I would have done it too because I wanted Ratledge badly. But this is the downside of the trade ups. It didn't hurt in 2022/2023 when we had more/better capital. And next year we'll be in the same boat, assuming we end up picking in the late 20s (or 32, hopefully). I trust Brad in terms of who he trades up for because more often than not he's right. Especially when trading up for ESTABLISHED players - Jamo, Branch, Terrion, Ratledge for instance. Even trading up for Hooker...I still defend that and thought it was smart. But trading up for development guys with "potential" has only worked once for Brad (Derrick Barnes). The rest are either TBD (Manu, Vaki) or on the verge of being cut from the team (Sorsdal, Brodric).
At least this draft felt more traditional in terms of picks. These guys are starters, solid backups, or development guys we didn't trade for (Hassanein, who I like). Teslaa is GOOD. Could be great, like Puka great. We'll see.
Round 2, Pick 57 — Tate Ratledge, G, Georgia
Round 3, Pick 70 — Isaac TeSlaa, WR, Arkansas
Round 5, Pick 171 — Miles Frazier, G, LSU
Round 6, Pick 196 — Ahmed Hassanein, EDGE, Boise State
Round 7, Pick 230 — Dan Jackson, S, Georgia
Round 7, Pick 244 — Dominic Lovett, WR, Georgia
Solid draft but the biggest flaw to me is that 100 pick exile between TeSlaa and Frazier. I understand giving up 130 to move up for Ratledge, who multiple reporters are saying was going to the Raiders if we didn't move up. But it cost us a legit safety or possibly a better edge rusher. Ironically 130 ultimately went to the Jets, who took Malachi Moore. AG gets his (poor man's) Brian Branch. That's who I wanted to add some actual depth to that room, beyond the two elite guys we have.
Once again I'm not saying I have an issue with the trade...I would have done it too because I wanted Ratledge badly. But this is the downside of the trade ups. It didn't hurt in 2022/2023 when we had more/better capital. And next year we'll be in the same boat, assuming we end up picking in the late 20s (or 32, hopefully). I trust Brad in terms of who he trades up for because more often than not he's right. Especially when trading up for ESTABLISHED players - Jamo, Branch, Terrion, Ratledge for instance. Even trading up for Hooker...I still defend that and thought it was smart. But trading up for development guys with "potential" has only worked once for Brad (Derrick Barnes). The rest are either TBD (Manu, Vaki) or on the verge of being cut from the team (Sorsdal, Brodric).
At least this draft felt more traditional in terms of picks. These guys are starters, solid backups, or development guys we didn't trade for (Hassanein, who I like). Teslaa is GOOD. Could be great, like Puka great. We'll see.
FukkaPaidEmail
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I was watching Brett Kollmans stream during the draft bc they did a better job explaining all the picks and he made an interesting point . A team that was on the clock had a need for an “X” receiver and he stated that all the X’s were gone and he name dropped “Isaac TeSlaa,Pat Bryant and Keandre Lambert-Smith as those X’s that were snatched.Tory Horton was on the board at this time..but he wasn’t viewed as an X .Assuming bc of his frame…according to them
Pat Bryant was the receiver taken a couple picks after TeSlaa. So this leads me to the belief that the team that took Bryant was gunning for TeSlaa,which led to the trade up. And if those were the only X types left they wanted to make sure to go up and get their guy .They paid a price but I get it. If you view X receiver as a need…then I REALLY get It
This made me change the way I looked at the pick . Because this wasn’t TeSlaa vs all the receivers that was left on the board at the time (Ayomanor,Horton,Etc) ..
it was TeSlaa vs receivers that could be X’s ( Bryant and KLS)..Lambert smith lasted late which shocked both of the hosts ..which may mean he was flagged
And if you don’t believe those other guys that were on the board can’t play the X position I can’t be mad at them being aggressive and making the move for their guy .
The 100 pick gap did hurt…but getting Frazier who seemed to slipped softened that blow
I was watching Brett Kollmans stream during the draft bc they did a better job explaining all the picks and he made an interesting point . A team that was on the clock had a need for an “X” receiver and he stated that all the X’s were gone and he name dropped “Isaac TeSlaa,Pat Bryant and Keandre Lambert-Smith as those X’s that were snatched.Tory Horton was on the board at this time..but he wasn’t viewed as an X .Assuming bc of his frame…according to them
Pat Bryant was the receiver taken a couple picks after TeSlaa. So this leads me to the belief that the team that took Bryant was gunning for TeSlaa,which led to the trade up. And if those were the only X types left they wanted to make sure to go up and get their guy .They paid a price but I get it. If you view X receiver as a need…then I REALLY get It
This made me change the way I looked at the pick . Because this wasn’t TeSlaa vs all the receivers that was left on the board at the time (Ayomanor,Horton,Etc) ..
it was TeSlaa vs receivers that could be X’s ( Bryant and KLS)..Lambert smith lasted late which shocked both of the hosts ..which may mean he was flagged
And if you don’t believe those other guys that were on the board can’t play the X position I can’t be mad at them being aggressive and making the move for their guy .
The 100 pick gap did hurt…but getting Frazier who seemed to slipped softened that blow
djthegreat88
Superstar
So we essentially traded Aaron Glenn for Teslaa and trade back
Sorsdail project is probably over with two rooks coming in. Awosika was solid in fill in duties. Two rooks and Mahogany should compete for starting spots. Hopefully they beat out Glasgow because he was really bad towards end of season.
Only glaring weakness on team is Edge. If Davenport by some miracle stays healthy they’ll probably be okay
Sorsdail project is probably over with two rooks coming in. Awosika was solid in fill in duties. Two rooks and Mahogany should compete for starting spots. Hopefully they beat out Glasgow because he was really bad towards end of season.
Only glaring weakness on team is Edge. If Davenport by some miracle stays healthy they’ll probably be okay
Lions fans suffer from a major case of groupthink every year when it comes to the draft. And some of the lions podders on yt pulling some passive aggressive whiny bullshyt because Brad didn't pick the way they wanted. Nothing frustrates me more during NFL draft time than any of these draft exists taking about somebody reached for a player and they could have got them at such and such Rd. What are you being this off of? None of you know any of these teams draft boards and how they have these players graded. You have no idea how any other team valued said player that this team wanted to pick. The notion of it and then the experts in turn throwing hissy fits or throwing out poor grades is asinine to me. I get it way more regarding the NBA, but the NFL is such a crapshoot regarding who makes it and who doesn't, that even the best talent evaluator my have like a 40% success rate. Nobody knows wtf their talking about, so stop bytching so much and let's see who pans out. Cause in reality, nobody really knows.Brad Holmes NFL Draft Day 2 Press Conference | April 25, 2025
Hear from Detroit Lions executive vice president & general manager Brad Holmes following Day 2 of the 2025 NFL Draft.Subscribe to the Lions YT Channel: https...
Brad was annoyed as hell about all the edge questions. Really think he believes it was injuries and it wasnt that bad. Hutch and Davenport are starters with Pascal, Muhammed, Oconner, and hopefully Z Smith as backups. With Levi and Wingo can also be able to play inside and out. Reeder, Tyleik, Alim, Lopez all in DT rotation.
Brad has earned the benefit the doubt. Gonna let him cook. He’s been best drafter in NFL since he got job.
But bytching is a helluva lucrative business these days, so I guess I kinda gotta understand
Piff Perkins
Veteran
That makes a lot of sense and given that Bryant went to the Broncos, who have a similar offensive scheme, I def can see it. The good thing about this VS previous trade ups he's done in the past is that I genuinely like TeSlaa and think he can be really good. I'd argue he can develop faster in a scheme like this that will take pressure/DBs off him. If Jamo is taking the top off, Gibbs is leaking out the backfield, LaPorta is on a check down, and St Brown is running a slant...he's gonna be wide open every time.
End of the day I still would have sat pat and if he got drafted oh well. Ayomanor should have been high on their board as one of the best blocking WRs in the draft. I would have had zero issue taking him at 102, or trading down a bit and taking him.
BPA works best when you have a lot of picks. That ensures you're constantly getting good value players who often coincide with needs. Maybe the best player at 102 is a WR so you take him. Maybe the best player at 130 is a safety and you take him, etc. You just trust your board and get your guys. Like I said if I need to trade up a bit to secure a starter like Ratledge would I do it? Of course, so I liked that trade. But the TeSlaa one hurt IMO. Think about what next year's roster will look like going into free agency. We have two LBs signed beyond next year (Campbell, Barnes). We have two edges signed beyond next year (Hutch, Bosie St rookie). Branch and LaPorta will be on their last years with no succession plans in place, just in case. Not a problem right now but 2026 is gonna be a big transitional year roster wise.