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Find a business. Find someone underpaid.

Find a family. Find someone who understands how expensive health care can be.

fukk it. I'll move off of one of my strongest held positions. Find a successful worker and you're likely to find someone spending the money they could put towards a mortgage or retire as a barrier of entry.

The system was never created for a fair shake. And then we put price on potential and survival.

Not everyone deserves to win. That isn't justice. But everyone deserves a better shot.

And that's why I've gravitated towards Warren.
 

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thats tough to say, i mean theyve been rolling back the new deal ever since it happened. honestly the wealthy are always going to try to hack away non stop at whatever reforms are made by the left and working class, but im not sure what we can do about it other than be as vigilant as them. but the way dude makes it seem, they would switch to gov healthcare and then i guess just refuse to treat minorities ? i cant see it not at least going back to what we have now. if dude is so worried, so either way it makes sense to at least get universal coverage for as long as we can, its all temporary privileges
He's not wrong that Cadillac health care plans provide more than Medicare or M4A.

I think my company takes around 10k of my money (I view benefits that way) for me and my son.

I'd gladly take that money back for a 4% tax raise.
 

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The human condition is crazy. People would turn down more free money for excerise related expenses just to take a 3rd of that home on some principle shyt.

Real hustlers would just buy and sell an apple watch and some ovo Jays and come out ahead.
 

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Joe Biden is a racist and Obama fukked up for elevating him :hhh:

I was just about to come in here and say this after catching up on the debate news. Biden is a straight up condescending racist, yet denies it. Trump is just an honest racist. That's the only difference between the two.

I can't believe Black folks are willing to vote for this man.

:francis:
 

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Naw there’s plenty of democrats not down for Medicare for all. That eliminates choice. Which as an African American, an elimination of choice 9/10 hurts us in this country. Redlining, segregation, etc

The biggest thing I have against it is the “idealism” ppl have for when Democrats are in control.

Republicans are going to be diabolical on what we can and can’t get. I don’t want my healthcare solely dictated by them, which inevitably will happen.

Idk why ppl don’t think about the bad things that will happen, when the bad ppl get control. :yeshrug:


Which ALWAYS happens, we will not always be in power. Y’all see who’s President now? They don’t give a shyt.

Medicare for all under republican control would be a nightmare for black ppl. And we would have nothing to fight them with bc it would be illegal to do so. ILLEGAL

Why is this line of thinking seen as bad? They’re putting children in fukking cages and y’all want them to decide everything about your healthcare. :usure:


fukk THAT!

your example of what choice is is wrong. Ppl think it’s extreme examples like heart or lungs (that’s covered) but it’s the small stuff.

Yes they can fukk us over now. But not completely fukk is over, we have an option (a shytty option yes) to not have them control our medical treatments.

You give them 100% control and they can legally fukk us way way way worse. The problems you have now will pale in comparison to what will happen. And you have NO recourse. You can’t do shyt about it, nothing at all.

You really trust those ppl to do you right, when every action you’ve seen them try to pull is to your detriment.


WHY DO YOU WANT TO HAND THEM THE KEYS TO YOUR LIFE?


That’s crazy to me. :mindblown:

These People have tried everything they can to keep you poor, unhealthy, uneducated (their actions have never changed) and now you’re willing to sign over what you can and can’t get at the doctor :wtf:. They deserve to fukk us over if y’all willing to do that dumb stuff.

No because my fear is not having the opportunity to directly fight that right wing thinking. We can’t fight shyt, if we have no legal way to do so.

To ask you a direct question. If true racists start dictating your medical life and don’t give you what you need legally.

How are you going to fight it? Like what’s the plan when they start cutting costs and the ppl representing your line of thinking lose control?

Naw. I researched when my grandma was on Medicaid/Medicare and they denied her treatment after her stroke and she needed a wheelchair ramp. I’ve spent days and weeks researching this shyt.

A ramp was denied by Medicare. We built it ourselves, but got it paid for the next year (and built properly) by Medicare advantage.

Here’s some info on how it works. Paying for Wheelchair Ramps: Medicare's Benefits & Costs

Unfortunately, original (also called traditional) Medicare policies are strict when it comes to paying for equipment and home modifications around the senior’s home. Original Medicare’s policy on wheelchair ramps falls under their policy for Durable Medical Equipment. As such, if the wheelchair ramp is used for a medical purpose, then the ramp is reimbursable. A ramp will have to be medically necessary as declared by a licensed physician. Therefore, it is extremely rare that original Medicare will pay for the cost of a wheelchair ramp. On the other hand, some Medicare Advantage (MA) plans may now cover the cost of wheelchair ramps. An announcement by CMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services) on April 2, 2018 stated MA plans could cover home and community based supplemental healthcare benefits.

I'm glad we've finally gotten to the heart of your opposition. Because of your personal experience you trust private insurance companies more than government healthcare. I don't trust Republicans to do what's in the best interests of the people and the Medicare for all bill doesn't outlaw private insurance, the bill says that private insurance companies can't sell you coverage for things covered by the government. So if the Republicans started removing things covered in the bill currently that would open a lane for private insurers to step in to make money from those who want and can afford that extra. As for your fear of them somehow targeting minorities to deny treatment, that would be covered under the anti-discrimination section of the bill and we could form a class action lawsuit if it starts to happen at any point. The upside of a universal program is that it's harder for them to do rollbacks in the first place because people notice. One of the reasons that social security and medicare are so hard for Republicans to cut right now is that all of their constituents are directly affected by those cuts in some way and even they need voters.

I don't have absolute trust in the government to do right by the people but I don't trust corporations to do right by their customers either. The choice that you mentioned that we have now is an illusion. Most working people are limited to the insurance company that their employer chooses and the plans that company offers. They are also limited in the doctors and hospitals they can get treatment from due to the network of that insurance company. As for your Medicare advantage example, you are still limited in choice by who the government chooses to partner with and that can be based on who donated the most to the right politicians as opposed to who would be best for the people. The whole reason Medicare advantage exists is that politicians decided that they would rather give private insurance companies more money rather than expanding Medicare benefits to cover more because they were getting donations from those private insurance companies. If coverage eventually does get rolled back on Medicare for all after passing it will be because of that type of corruption rather than racial hatred, which does exist.
 

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Sorry, I don’t trust a government plan to fairly cover women’s reproductive and fertility issues. Again, need a M4A option to cover those who want it/don’t have insurance otherwise, and leave people who have plans they like alone. Doubt M4A will cover $50k worth of IVF/fertility treatment like the plan I have now, doubt M4A would cover gender reassignment like some plans do in SV - etc. some people truly do have “lush” coverage that they don’t want to lose
 

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No it has nothing to do with my grandmother. If has to do with u telling ppl it’s an all encompassing bill but they literally throw in the same conditions they are pushing through today.

If it isn’t “medically necessary” they won’t pay. You knew absolutely nothing about that until I told and showed u how it truly works. You like most ppl blindly pushing Medicare for all truly believed it will pay for everything when obviously you must admit that’s not the case.

Do you truly believe Bernie is telling the truth about Medicare for all and what covered? No, he’s not.:francis:

The only example he cites as not being covered bc it’s not medically necessary is “cosmetic surgery”. Theres a reason why theyre not being forthright an honest about what will an won't be covered. They utilized an extreme example to purposefully hide that people will be losing benefits. Naive people like yourself accept it as true.

Does this list sound like "Cosmetic Surgery" to you? These are things that won't be covered under Medicare for all.


"Air Cleaners: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Air Conditioners: Not covered.. Not primarily medical in nature.

Air-Fluidized Bed: Covered in certain cases.

Alternating Pressure Pads and Mattresses, and Lambs Wool Pads: Covered in certain cases.

Audible/Visible Signal Pacemaker Monitor: Covered when prescribed by a doctor.

Augmentative Communication Device: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Bathtub Lifts: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Bathtub Seats: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Bead Bed: Covered in certain cases. Must be prescribed by a doctor.

Bed Baths: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Bed Lifter: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Bedboards: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Bed Pans: Covered if your loved one is confined to his or her bed.

Bed Side Rails: Covered if your loved one’s condition requires them, and if Medicare has already determined that your loved one requires a hospital bed.

Beds—Lounge: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Beds—Oscillating: Not covered. Inappropriate for home use.

Blood Glucose Analyzer/Reflectance Colorimeter: Not covered. Unsuitable for home use.

Blood Glucose Monitor: Covered for diabetics who are able to test themselves at home.

Braille Teaching Texts: Not covered. Not primarily medical.

Canes: Covered if your loved one’s medical condition impairs his or her ability to walk.

Catheters: Not covered. Non-reusable/disposable.

Commodes: --Covered if your loved one is confined to his or her bed or room

Communicator: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Continuous Passive Motion Devices: Continuous Passive Motion devices are covered for persons who have received a total knee replacement. To qualify for coverage, your loved one must begin using the device within two days following his or her surgery. In addition, coverage is limited to that portion of the three-week period following surgery during which your loved one would use the device at home.

Continuous Positive Airway Pressure (CPAP): Covered if your loved one has been diagnosed with obstructive sleep apnea and surgery is a likely alternative to use of a CPAP.

Crutches: Covered if your loved one’s condition impairs his or her ability to walk.

Cushion Lift Power Seat: Covered only in certain very specific cases. If your loved one has severe arthritis of the hip or knee, or muscular dystrophy or other neuromuscular disease and a doctor has determined that he or she can benefit therapeutically from use of the device, then a seat lift may be covered by Medicare.

Dehumidifiers: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Diathermy Machines: Not covered. Inappropriate for home use.

Digital Electronic Pacemaker Monitor: Covered when prescribed by a doctor.

Disposable Sheets and Bags: Not covered. Non-reusable/disposable.

Elastic Stockings: Not covered. Non-reusable.

Electric Air Cleaners: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Electric Hospital Beds: Covered under very specific conditions and must be ordered by a doctor.

Electrostatic Machines: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Elevators: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Emesis Basins: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Esophageal Dilator: Not covered. Inappropriate for patient use.

Exercise Equipment: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Fabric Supports: Not covered. Non-reusable.

Face Masks (oxygen): Covered if your loved one is also covered for oxygen (see below).

Face Masks (surgical): Not covered. Non-reusable/disposable.

Flowmeter: Covered if your loved one’s ability to breathe is seriously impaired.

Fluidic Breathing Assister: Covered if your loved one’s ability to breathe is seriously impaired.

Fomentation Device: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Gel Flotation Pads and Mattresses: Covered in certain cases. Your loved one’s doctor must specify that he or she will be supervising their use in connection with your loved one’s treatment.

Grab Bars: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Heat and Massage Foam Cushion Pad: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Heating and Cooling Plants: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Heating Pads/Hot Packs: Covered if doctors determine that your loved one will benefit medically from the application of heating pads.

Heat Lamps: Covered if doctors determine that your loved one will benefit medically from the application of heat lamps.

Hospital Beds: Covered under very specific conditions and must be ordered by a doctor.

Humidifiers (oxygen): It might be covered if a medical humidifier has been prescribed for use in connection with other medically necessary equipment for purposes of moisturizing oxygen.

Humidifiers (room or central heating system types): Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Hydraulic Lift: Covered if doctors determine that your loved one requires periodic movement to improve, arrest, or retard deterioration in his or her condition.

Incontinent Pads: Not covered. Non-reusable; not primarily medical in nature.

Infusion Pumps: Covered under very specific conditions.

Injectors (hypodermic jet pressure powered devices for injection of insulin): Not covered.

IPPB Machines: Covered if your loved one’s ability to breathe is severely impaired.

Iron Lungs: Covered for treatment of neuromuscular diseases, thoracic restrictive diseases, and chronic respiratory failure.

Irrigating Kit: Not covered. Non-reusable; not primarily medical in nature.

Lymphedema Pumps: Covered.

Massage Devices: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Mattress: Covered only when a hospital bed is medically necessary.

Medical Oxygen Regulators: Covered if your loved one’s ability to breathe is severely.

Mobile Geriatric Chair: Covered if there is a medical need for this item and it has been prescribed by a doctor in lieu of a wheelchair. Coverage is limited to those chairs having casters of at least 5 inches in diameter and specifically designed to meet the needs of ill, injured, or otherwise impaired individuals. Coverage is denied for the wide range of chairs with smaller casters that are primarily used in homes, offices, and institutions for many purposes not related to the care or treatment of ill or injured persons.

Motorized Wheelchairs: Covered if your loved one’s condition is such that a wheelchair is medically necessary and he or she is unable to operate the wheelchair manually.

Muscle Stimulators: Covered for certain conditions.

Nebulizers: Covered if your loved one’s ability to breathe is severely impaired.

Oscillating Beds: Not covered. Inappropriate for home use.

Overbed Tables: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Oxygen: Covered if oxygen has been prescribed for use with medically necessary equipment.

Oxygen Humidifiers: Covered if a medical humidifier has been prescribed for use in connection with medically necessary equipment for purposes of moisturizing oxygen.

Oxygen Tents: Covered for certain specific conditions.

Paraffin Bath Units (Portable): Covered if your loved one has undergone a successful trial period of paraffin therapy ordered by a physician; and if your loved one’s condition is expected to be relieved by long term-use of paraffin baths.

Paraffin Bath Units (Standard): Not covered. Inappropriate for home use.

Parallel Bars: Not covered. Primarily intended for institutional use.

Patient Lifts: Covered if doctors determine that your loved one requires periodic movement to improve, arrest, or retard deterioration in his or her condition.
 
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Percussors: Covered in certain circumstances for persons with chronic obstructive lung disease, chronic bronchitis, or emphysema.

Portable Oxygen Systems:

· Regulated (adjustable flow rate): Covered under specific conditions.

· Preset (flow rate not adjustable): Not covered. Considered emergency, first-aid, or precautionary equipment that is not essentially therapeutic in nature.

Portable Room Heaters: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Portable Whirlpool Pumps: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Postural Drainage Boards: Covered if your loved one has a chronic pulmonary condition.

Preset Portable Oxygen Units: Not covered. Considered emergency, first-aid, or precautionary equipment that is not essentially therapeutic in nature.

Pressure Leotards: Not covered. Non-reusable.

Pulse Tachometer: Not covered.

Quad-Canes: Covered if your loved one’s condition impairs his or her ability to walk.

Raised Toilet Seats: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Reflectance Colorimeters: Not covered. Unsuitable for home use.

Respirators: Covered for treatment of neuromuscular diseases, thoracic restrictive diseases, and chronic respiratory failure.

Rolling Chairs: Covered if there is a medical need for this item and it has been prescribed by a doctor in lieu of a wheelchair. Coverage is limited to those chairs having casters of at least 5 inches in diameter and specifically designed to meet the needs of ill, injured, or otherwise impaired individuals.

Safety Roller: Covered if your loved one requires a walker, but is physically unable to use a standard wheeled walker.

Sauna Baths: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Seat Lift: Covered only in certain very specific cases. If your loved one has severe arthritis of the hip or knee, or muscular dystrophy or other neuromuscular disease and a doctor has determined that he or she can benefit therapeutically from use of the device, then a seat lift may be covered by Medicare.

Self-Contained Pacemaker Monitor: Covered when prescribed by a physician.

Sitz Bath: Covered in certain circumstances with a doctor’s prescription.

Speech Teaching Machine: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Stairway Elevators: Not covered.

Standing Table: Not covered, Not primarily medical in nature.

Steam Packs: Covered if doctors determine that your loved one will benefit medically from the application of steam packs.

Suction Machine: Covered if medical staff determines that the machine is medically required and appropriate for home use.

Support Hose: Not covered.

Surgical Leggings: Not covered.Non-reusable.

Telephone Alert Systems: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Telephone Arms: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Toilet Seats: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Traction Equipment: Covered for certain conditions.

Trapeze Bars: Covered if your loved one is bed confined and needs a trapeze bar to sit up, change body position for medical reasons, or to get in and out of bed.

Treadmill Exerciser: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature.

Ultraviolet Cabinet: Covered under certain circumstances. If your loved one generalized intractable psoriasis, and needs to apply this treatment at home, he or she may qualify.

Urinals (autoclavable hospital type): Covered if your loved one is confined to his or her bed.

Vaporizers: It used to be covered if your loved one had a respiratory illness but this may have changed.

Ventilators: Covered for treatment of neuromuscular diseases, thoracic restrictive diseases, and chronic respiratory failure.

Walkers: Covered if your loved one’s condition impairs his or her ability to walk.

Water and Pressure Pads and Mattresses: Covered in certain cases. Your loved one’s doctor must specify that he or she will be supervising their use in connection with your loved one’s treatment

Wheelchairs: Covered if your loved one’s condition is such that without the use of a wheelchair he or she would otherwise be bed or chair confined. Your loved one may qualify for a wheelchair and still be considered “bed confined” for purposes of other Medicare equipment benefits

Wheelchairs (power operated): Covered if your loved one’s condition is such that a wheelchair is medically necessary and he or she is unable to operate the wheelchair manually.

Whirlpool Bath Equipment: Covered if your loved one is homebound and has a condition for which the whirlpool bath can be expected to provide substantial therapeutic benefit. If your loved one is not homebound, but needs whirlpool bath treatments, Medicare cover the costs of such treatments at hospitals or other facilities.

Whirlpool Pumps: Not covered. Not primarily medical in nature."
 

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I'm glad we've finally gotten to the heart of your opposition. Because of your personal experience you trust private insurance companies more than government healthcare. I don't trust Republicans to do what's in the best interests of the people and the Medicare for all bill doesn't outlaw private insurance, the bill says that private insurance companies can't sell you coverage for things covered by the government. So if the Republicans started removing things covered in the bill currently that would open a lane for private insurers to step in to make money from those who want and can afford that extra. As for your fear of them somehow targeting minorities to deny treatment, that would be covered under the anti-discrimination section of the bill and we could form a class action lawsuit if it starts to happen at any point. The upside of a universal program is that it's harder for them to do rollbacks in the first place because people notice. One of the reasons that social security and medicare are so hard for Republicans to cut right now is that all of their constituents are directly affected by those cuts in some way and even they need voters.

I don't have absolute trust in the government to do right by the people but I don't trust corporations to do right by their customers either. The choice that you mentioned that we have now is an illusion. Most working people are limited to the insurance company that their employer chooses and the plans that company offers. They are also limited in the doctors and hospitals they can get treatment from due to the network of that insurance company. As for your Medicare advantage example, you are still limited in choice by who the government chooses to partner with and that can be based on who donated the most to the right politicians as opposed to who would be best for the people. The whole reason Medicare advantage exists is that politicians decided that they would rather give private insurance companies more money rather than expanding Medicare benefits to cover more because they were getting donations from those private insurance companies. If coverage eventually does get rolled back on Medicare for all after passing it will be because of that type of corruption rather than racial hatred, which does exist.

Do Catherers, Toilet Seats, Incontinence Pads (for when people get old and start shytting on yourself) sound like COSMETIC SURGERIES :mindblown:to you?


This is just a small list of the many things we will lose once Medicare for all passes.


Youi yourself admit that people will now have to get secondary insurance. Do you know who is going to be able to afford that insurance after the middle class is taxed to death, RICH PEOPLE! They will be the only ones who will be able to afford this stuff not covered under medicare for all.

Hope your not a broke boy because if you ever need a Catheter you shyt out of luck broke boy. :umad:


Why is Bernie hiding this and not being honest about it? :smugbiden:
 

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Leftists spent all of 2016-2018 saying dems lost in 2016 because they spent too much time attacking Trump and not talking policy.

This heel turn is just :russ:
i don't remember "leftists" saying that

we were just as surprised at clinton's failure as you centrist scum were

then we found out she just didn't feel like campaigning in the states she needed to, like an egotistical idiot
 

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Do Catherers, Toilet Seats, Incontinence Pads (for when people get old and start shytting on yourself) sound like COSMETIC SURGERIES :mindblown:to you?


This is just a small list of the many things we will lose once Medicare for all passes.


Youi yourself admit that people will now have to get secondary insurance. Do you know who is going to be able to afford that insurance after the middle class is taxed to death, RICH PEOPLE! They will be the only ones who will be able to afford this stuff not covered under medicare for all.

Hope your not a broke boy because if you ever need a Catheter you shyt out of luck broke boy. :umad:


Why is Bernie hiding this and not being honest about it? :smugbiden:

Right now poor who can't afford treatment that their insurance doesn't cover are dying or rationing medications, making them worse. Some of the things on the list that you say won't be covered are luxury items and as you said people will have the option to get private insurance to cover them if they need them. Some of the items are quality of life items that can be important but you also padded the list with items that are covered when needed and things that have nothing to do with health insurance. What do air conditioners in general have to do with healthcare? I'd rather life and death needs be covered for everyone and deal with the rest as needed.
 

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Do Catherers, Toilet Seats, Incontinence Pads (for when people get old and start shytting on yourself) sound like COSMETIC SURGERIES :mindblown:to you?


This is just a small list of the many things we will lose once Medicare for all passes.


Youi yourself admit that people will now have to get secondary insurance. Do you know who is going to be able to afford that insurance after the middle class is taxed to death, RICH PEOPLE! They will be the only ones who will be able to afford this stuff not covered under medicare for all.

Hope your not a broke boy because if you ever need a Catheter you shyt out of luck broke boy. :umad:


Why is Bernie hiding this and not being honest about it? :smugbiden:



This is the type of thing we need to get taken care of even if the solution isn't perfect.
 

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i don't remember "leftists" saying that

we were just as surprised at clinton's failure as you centrist scum were

then we found out she just didn't feel like campaigning in the states she needed to, like an egotistical idiot
I'm not a centrist because I have a good job. :sas1:
 
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