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Warren Moon

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I say again how much is the health insurance industrial complex paying you you fukking Trot?

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Not enough for u to sign your life away to the devil who’s been trying to kill you, the moment you started breathing on earth, apparently. :lolbron:
 

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your example of what choice is is wrong. Ppl think it’s extreme examples like heart or lungs (that’s covered) but it’s the small stuff.

Yes they can fukk us over now. But not completely fukk is over, we have an option (a shytty option yes) to not have them control our medical treatments.

You give them 100% control and they can legally fukk us way way way worse. The problems you have now will pale in comparison to what will happen. And you have NO recourse. You can’t do shyt about it, nothing at all.

You really trust those ppl to do you right, when every action you’ve seen them try to pull is to your detriment.


WHY DO YOU WANT TO HAND THEM THE KEYS TO YOUR LIFE?


That’s crazy to me. :mindblown:

These People have tried everything they can to keep you poor, unhealthy, uneducated (their actions have never changed) and now you’re willing to sign over what you can and can’t get at the doctor :wtf:. They deserve to fukk us over if y’all willing to do that dumb stuff.
a lot of your fear to me seems like right wing talking points that government is bad by default.
 

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a lot of your fear to me seems like right wing talking points that government is bad by default.

No because my fear is not having the opportunity to directly fight that right wing thinking. We can’t fight shyt, if we have no legal way to do so.

To ask you a direct question. If true racists start dictating your medical life and don’t give you what you need legally.

How are you going to fight it? Like what’s the plan when they start cutting costs and the ppl representing your line of thinking lose control?
 

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You’re really still trying to make a dishonest argument over what “medically necessary” means?

Maybe you’re a troll?

Naw. I researched when my grandma was on Medicaid/Medicare and they denied her treatment after her stroke and she needed a wheelchair ramp. I’ve spent days and weeks researching this shyt.

A ramp was denied by Medicare. We built it ourselves, but got it paid for the next year (and built properly) by Medicare advantage.

Here’s some info on how it works. Paying for Wheelchair Ramps: Medicare's Benefits & Costs

Unfortunately, original (also called traditional) Medicare policies are strict when it comes to paying for equipment and home modifications around the senior’s home. Original Medicare’s policy on wheelchair ramps falls under their policy for Durable Medical Equipment. As such, if the wheelchair ramp is used for a medical purpose, then the ramp is reimbursable. A ramp will have to be medically necessary as declared by a licensed physician. Therefore, it is extremely rare that original Medicare will pay for the cost of a wheelchair ramp. On the other hand, some Medicare Advantage (MA) plans may now cover the cost of wheelchair ramps. An announcement by CMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services) on April 2, 2018 stated MA plans could cover home and community based supplemental healthcare benefits.
 

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the republicans tore each other to shreds last time and then still took over the whole government. all this is, when they say stop the infighting, is stop attacking our anointed centrists like biden and kamala. they wouldnt be saying any of that if it was all attacks on bernie


Hell no they wouldn't. Which is why Bernie and Warren deciding to not go at each other and focusing on policy what is allowing both of them to stand out from the rest.

They should run through to the final two together and then they can start highlighting their differences.
 
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Leftists spent all of 2016-2018 saying dems lost in 2016 because they spent too much time attacking Trump and not talking policy.

This heel turn is just :russ:


Bernie and Warren have done exactly that and they are two of the top three right now with the centrist dropping Nagasaki level H bombs on his own feet every time he goes out in public:unimpressed:
 

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Bernie and Warren have done exactly that and they are two of the top three right now with the centrist dropping Nagasaki level H bombs on his own feet every time he goes out in public:unimpressed:
I agree. So why are we pretending like shytting on candidates is now a viable strategy for Dems.

It works for Republicans because that is what they want their candidates to do - - fight, obstruct, and make dishonest rhetorical arguments to stop progress.

But I guess this is just another example of, "we should overlook the behavior of supporters because the candidate doesn't behave that way."

In other words, check your people.
 

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I agree. So why are we pretending like shytting on candidates is now a viable strategy for Dems.

It works for Republicans because that is what they want their candidates to do - - fight, obstruct, and make dishonest rhetorical arguments to stop progress.

But I guess this is just another example of, "we should overlook the behavior of supporters because the candidate doesn't behave that way."

In other words, check your people.
the issue is the centrists are acting like policy debate is an attack. who got personal on the dems side? even castro wasnt being personal by pointing out biden having dementia, it is what it is youre running for president. we arent actually acting like republicans. but the only reason this gets brought up is to silence the actual left. they dont really give a fukk about it supposedly hurting their chances vs trump, they just dont want their centrist candidates being called out for their bullshyt rhetoric
 

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No because my fear is not having the opportunity to directly fight that right wing thinking. We can’t fight shyt, if we have no legal way to do so.

To ask you a direct question. If true racists start dictating your medical life and don’t give you what you need legally.

How are you going to fight it? Like what’s the plan when they start cutting costs and the ppl representing your line of thinking lose control?

whats stopping people like that from doing what they want right now? im not sure what you think single payer is. i mean its still private institutions. im sure you can have the "choice" to pay out of pocket if whatever paranoia you are thinking of takes place.
 

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the issue is the centrists are acting like policy debate is an attack. who got personal on the dems side? even castro wasnt being personal by pointing out biden having dementia, it is what it is youre running for president. we arent actually acting like republicans. but the only reason this gets brought up is to silence the actual left. they dont really give a fukk about it supposedly hurting their chances vs trump, they just dont want their centrist candidates being called out for their bullshyt rhetoric
Then why are you attempting to conflate Trumpian attacks with policy debate.
 

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Then why are you attempting to conflate Trumpian attacks with policy debate.
i dont think i am personally. i was saying the establishment is saying so called in fighting is bad but our in fighting is just policy debate, meantime look at republicans, they actually trashed each other and it didnt hurt them in the elections. i mean i do think you made a good point that republicans are more attracted to that but still
 

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whats stopping people like that from doing what they want right now? im not sure what you think single payer is. i mean its still private institutions. im sure you can have the "choice" to pay out of pocket if whatever paranoia you are thinking of takes place.
The most effective and legally safe implementations of M4A create enough coverage options that will almost guarantee most private insurance plans are no longer viable.

I'm cool with this. I like it.

Can we keep Republicans from changing the scope of those plans if they regain control
 

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The most effective and legally safe implementations of M4A create enough coverage options that will almost guarantee most private insurance plans are no longer viable.

I'm cool with this. I like it.

Can we keep Republicans from changing the scope of those plans if they regain control
thats tough to say, i mean theyve been rolling back the new deal ever since it happened. honestly the wealthy are always going to try to hack away non stop at whatever reforms are made by the left and working class, but im not sure what we can do about it other than be as vigilant as them. but the way dude makes it seem, they would switch to gov healthcare and then i guess just refuse to treat minorities ? i cant see it not at least going back to what we have now. if dude is so worried, so either way it makes sense to at least get universal coverage for as long as we can, its all temporary privileges
 

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i dont think i am personally. i was saying the establishment is saying so called in fighting is bad but our in fighting is just policy debate, meantime look at republicans, they actually trashed each other and it didnt hurt them in the elections. i mean i do think you made a good point that republicans are more attracted to that but still
I'm not here to argue just to argue. Shout out to @No1. :Legoderas:

I think democrats should run an adult campaign. Talk policy. Talk benifits and avoid a lot of the nativism we see.

Actually I'm going to reboot. The dem establishment is big tent. A lot of the big names are highly educated and wealthy. This leads me into my largest complaint of liberal politics.

On the left of you're wealthy you're considered bad, out of touch, and can't worth for the common man.

On the right, you're prosperous, successful and ready to run this country like a business. :Camfrancis:

We're different parties and we should focus on what unites us despite what someone makes and where they work.

Let y'all tell it, working for one of the largest corporations, only doing business with customers from the largest corporations and having gone to college I'm your enemy and can't appreciate how big business fukks over labor.

Low key, working for a trillion dollar corporation makes people more sympathetic to the labor cause. :JBWOWPounding:
 
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