Biden Boyz
Bernie Bros
Warren G's
Yang Gang
Biden Boyz really gets me. Reminds me of the Van Buren Boys.
Bernie Bros
Warren G's
Yang Gang
Biden Boyz really gets me. Reminds me of the Van Buren Boys.
Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread
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gangreen
Top Notch
Young, looks like a Kennedy, has a strong support base in Texas and is somewhat Moderate.
That's about it I think
.He has been underwhelming but this was his best showing on the debate stage so far thanks to that El Paso shooting sadly enough.
Best sound bite he had when he was talking about confiscating assault rifles and racism, Castro didnt feel inclined to attack him this time cause of the texas shooting solidarity and he got praise from just about everyone on that stage cause of his response to the El Paso shooting.
I think he would be a solid vice presidential pick to anyone on that stage if he doesn't get the nom cause he really doesn't offend (whether its Warren or Sanders on one spectrum or Biden on the other spectrum), strategically he could help take Texas and end election night early and could inject some youth into those 70 plus year old frontrunner's ticket.
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Biden Boyz
Bernie Bros
Warren G's
Yang Gang
Biden Boyz really gets me. Reminds me of the Van Buren Boys.
#BidenBoyz started the wave first
Jesus H. Christ
I died for your sins
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
This exchange hurts me the most because I have Cam and Matt Ryan on my fantasy
Two games in a row now this nikka Cam is about to cost me a win
I trusted you, Killa....I trusted you
Which private health insurance plan currently offers more benefits and pays for longer stays in the hospital?What do necessary treatments mean to you?
This is what it means to the government.
Did you experience a life changing heart attack/stroke/seizure and need to be hospital for 4-5 months?
Nope get the fukk out. Max is 100 days it doesn’t matter what your personal condition is only the average condition of most people.
SNF care past 100 days - Medicare Interactive
Youre kicked out of the hospital.
Did your mom/dad get in a crash, fell or something else that made them enter into a coma?
Better hope she wakes up in 60 days or that plug is getting pulled nikka. It’s no longer “medical necessary” to keep her on life support after 60 days. Medicare
Your doctor tell you, you need a specialized “oscillating bed” because your back is just different than most other people
nikka please. You should of been born like everybody else and had the same back issues they had
Medical Equipment And Medicare Coverage
These are just 3 of the hundreds of thousands of different ways you’ll be fukked if you happen to get a condition that most people don’t get.
Yet I’m gaslighting
Exactly, he's talking as though private health insurance plans don't tell people every day that they aren't covered for certain procedures leaving people with "good" health insurance plans with major medical bills that cause them to go bankrupt.
Health insurance 100% undoubtedly covers more than the government.
The above shows examples of how Medicare supposedly “pays for everything” until a certain point or for certain things.
The government has written into law when its “medically necessary” or financial better for them to say, you’ve reached your end point...it’s time to die. It’s literally the law. And ppl are cool with it bc the individuals they’re paying for are “old” and will die sooner than most.
That’s how they operate. Even if Bernie passed m4l and it covered every possible thing that could happen.
We’re a two party country. Republicans will slash all drastically low covered “procedures” to be “fiscally responsible” and this is for EVERYONE, not just old ppl.
Sorry man I’m not going to take the chance of my kid getting a rare form of leukemia on their deathbed and the government says they’ll only pay for 60 days in the hospital.
On Day 61 wtf you going to tell ur kid?!
Welp...the government says you should of died or been healed by now so we got to take you home to die at our house
Medicare for all provides you with nothing to fight this. Because the government dictates the law. If they say that’s how it is, it’s illegal to say different.
On top of that, diseases that disproportionately affect black ppl will inevitably not become covered bc of our population percentage in America. For example: if a disease only affects 5% of black ppl only. That’s .0625% of the entire country who have that disease. Y’all better get used to that shyt not being covered,
And if we want to get it changed and covered, we have to lobby and go through the bureaucracy of doing so. Which could take years!
You know why your point is bullshyt, because a) this is currently happening with private insurance and b) the rich people and politicians who will be covered by the same plan won't let it happen. The second that a congressman's wife or kid gets sick and those limitations in coverage are seen the plan will be improved because it doesn't just affect poor people. That's why Medicare for all is better than a public option, everyone would want the system to be the best that it can because it affects them too, whereas a public option would just affect the poor.
If you can show me one private health insurance plan that covers more than what is covered in the Medicare for all bill in the senate then I'll concede the debate.
Looks like ya mans Castro failed big time on that Joe Biden attack and lied about Joe not remember what he said previously..:
Castro is dine
Castro is dine
He OD’d and actually lied on Biden about forgetting..
Honestly you might get hurt again this Sunday night when we go up against WentzThis exchange hurts me the most because I have Cam and Matt Ryan on my fantasy
Two games in a row now this nikka Cam is about to cost me a win
I trusted you, Killa....I trusted you
Which means Biden won..
They going after him because he outright lied on Biden about forgetting which wasn’t true..
SQUAD
this wasn't ...the best move.
Rahm is at the end of the day, a democrat who brings in money.
A lot of democrats depend on him to eat.
Its good for likes and retweets but other than that it doesn't translate into real world change.
storyteller
Veteran
Alright fam, Debate power rankings coming up. Just a quick bit on this one because it's not like the others. In the other debates, certain candidates shined and others didn't. In this debate; it was mostly a battle to even have a memorable moment on stage. The top candidates either did poorly (Biden) or just sort of held their own position (Warren and Bernie). The other candidates were fishing for big hits and there were only a couple of moments. The vapidness in a lot of answers was frustrating and we wasted 15 minutes listening to every candidates "how I got here" story or "overcoming adversity" story where most of them gave BS anyway. You know what would have been better with that time? Letting more candidates answer the policy related stuff. Bernie's green new deal didn't get a mention which is nuts. I don't think Yang is good, but he deserved more time given his polling and interest in him. Even how questions were framed was mostly trash besides from that one moderator. Questions needed to be direct (like that one moderator did) and demand an answer to something specific...too often they weren't. Anyway, this power ranking is based on who stands to gain from last night.
1. Warren - Elizabeth Warren didn't actually do much different from what she's been doing but that's how she got her surge to begin with. While many candidates had one or two good answers, Elizabeth Warren was solid on everything. Personally, as a lefty, I don't like her rhetoric on foreign policy but I feel like that's not something that will hurt her with the majority. The other answers she had were good to great across the board. She did a fantastic job on M4A especially and just came across as someone who actually can answer ANY question. Not many others were able to do that.
2. Castro - Shocker? Here's my logic. Castro's name wasn't being mentioned. Nobody cared. Last night, he continually took shots at Biden, sometimes good and sometimes brutally mean but he did that...and he was talked about afterward by everyone I saw. What's the most memorable thing about last night? Castro asking Joe Biden if he forgot what he just said probably. Did Castro's more substantive answers live up to that? Some did. I think his commentary on immigration and rebuilding South America sounds really strong (even though I'm skeptical of HIM doing it after his HUD work). But regardless, he actually got himself into the discussion and any candidate that wants an attacking VP who checks some identity politics marks will probably consider him.
3. Bernie - Honestly, ABC let him get his greatest hits off and then cut his mic which hurt on some topics and hurt on others. Bernie's M4A argument is simple and with Warren backing it as well, the rhetoric he doesn't include gets filled in. Bernie's arguments are simple. Healthcare for EVERYONE, Free College for EVERYONE and that's easy to grasp for most people which is why he gets strong marks. Now, his hoarse voice definitely hurt some but the attacks on him that I've seen have been about yelling rather than anything he said. Part of that is because ABC didn't ask him about anything new. He has a justice reform and the most comprehensive climate plan in the game. He had to spend the foreign policy section explaining the difference between his democratic socialism and Maduro's mess in Venezuela (this is a tired and intellectually lazy comparison point blank). Basically, he may have had chances to help himself more or hurt himself more but ABC didn't give him that opportunity either way. So he stayed firmly in his spot near the top.
4. Booker - I want yall to know that this is me being unbiased and honestly giving Booker credit for good answers. He probably had the second most consistent performance of anybody up there. I just know he's full of crap on certain things thanks to living in Jersey. When he brought up Flint, it was a great answer...it also felt empty for me because he's been accused of knowing what was happening with Newark's water (lead in the water due to infrastructure problems ironically). But being fair to strictly what he did on stage, he helped himself. Some of his lines fell into the Beto realm of being too rehearsed but they were couched within good overall responses. He looked like someone that could push for a VP spot and hold his weight performatively.
5. Beto - I had him a bit lower until I got up this morning and spoke with others. Beto's gun response was the comment that people I talked to brought up more than anything else. I also thought he did a good job flat out saying he supports reparations (but I side eye this ish because I think he supports it how everybody supports Medicare for All but not the actual bill that was so popular last time or anything close to it). Honestly, I found most of Beto's answers falling into that rehearsed realm where he's not saying much of substance and more just chasing an applause line or a clippable moment. He'd be the best TikTok candidate in the game. But when people around me take notice, I give credit and those two answers were indeed really standout responses on a night where not a lot stood out...also, the self-translation to spanish just has to stop.
6. Yang - Andrew Yang spoke less than anybody at the last time I checked the debate speaking time trackers. That may have actually helped him because some of his responses were cringey as hell. I'm Boricuan, Puerto Rico hold a place in my heart and I've covered recent issues in podcasts off my caring about it...Yang TRIED to throw us a bone but my God it was so bad and hardly coherent that I got annoyed instead. It feels like Yang was so bad in the first two that people handicapped this one. He had one truly strong answer. That was on Education. That response was absolutely great! But beyond that his responses struck me as shallow which may or may not be my own personal bias. Yang feels like the "politics for Dummies" candidate to me; he nails a lot of the problems we face as a nation but his solutions don't fit the scope of the issues he's addressing...but they're simple to explain and easy to follow, so it translates. His most memorable moment is promising 1,000 dollars a month to 10 lucky families in a drawing...he's Win For Life'ing his way to a social media and attention bump. I hate pandering like that.
7. Klobuchar - I mean...Boomers might dig her jokes but I think they're terrible. The woman has no charisma, abuses her staff and offers nothing imaginative or exciting on stage. But she may get a bump from how hard the media is trying to push her. It feels like they really want the Biden vote to move her way or something. But I don't think that will happen because the woman is awful. I'd call her a poor man's Hillary but that's an insult to Hillary. The reason I haven't brought up her actual answers are because they were mostly trash that got outshined by others. She wants a voluntary gun buyback program, that's nice but when Beto says "hell yeah we're taking some damned guns" which do you think people will remember? That was Klobuchar all night. Safe answers that aren't damaging but also hardly move the scales.
8. Pete - I would have had Pete in Beto's spot because I didn't think he did bad on answers. But the only thing anyone spoke about from his responses (at least in a positive light) was him telling Castro not to be so mean to Biden. I think that tells you how much substance was missing from his policy ideas. Pete's got this cute spin on a public option that I don't think fools anybody at this point. Joe Biden was confused all night but when Pete explained the "Medicare for all who want it," Joe was nodding like "exactly, that's my plan." Pete was forgettable overall in a similar manner to Klobuchar. He had less how to and more flowery language but there wasn't a standout policy for anyone to get behind.
9. Harris - Is it me or did Kamala Harris lose track of what she was saying multiple times? She'd start on a roll but have these odd pauses where and lose momentum on answers. There were also just these light cringe moments. Warren gave credit to Obama and Bernie for the healthcare conversation to a nice applause...then Harris did it and then we had a domino effect of everyone on stage shouting out Obama and Bernie. Look, I'll take that but it doesn't help Harris. More importantly, Kamala Harris really didn't do anything to change her momentum. She's a fading candidate who needed some dynamite but couldn't even get a fire started. Her best moment was a laugh line about Trump being the little man behind the curtain from the Wizard of Oz, great reference but not about to galvanize voters.
10. Biden - Of course it's Biden. He may have come across sympathetic by the end of last night because he seemed confused at times, went on bizarre tangents and people were talking about his teeth falling out for while. Castro brutalized him so bad that the post debate defense of Biden sounds an awful lot like pity. Someone needs to pose the question to EVERYBODY that is complaining about what Castro did, "how do you think Donald Trump is going to behave in a debate with Joe Biden then?" To be fair, he had a spark when he started but it was built on fairly lame attacks overall. His attacks got beaten up by Warren and Sanders early and then Castro just abused the hell out of him the rest of the way. His worst moment was being asked about Obama era immigration policy. He basically hid behind Obama and said "I was only the VP" which Castro seized on. Then Biden's next response was to vigorously claim that he stands WITH Obama, but also provided NOTHING about the immigrants or the policies that administration supported. Last night was ugly but I hope it was eye opening as well.
1. Warren - Elizabeth Warren didn't actually do much different from what she's been doing but that's how she got her surge to begin with. While many candidates had one or two good answers, Elizabeth Warren was solid on everything. Personally, as a lefty, I don't like her rhetoric on foreign policy but I feel like that's not something that will hurt her with the majority. The other answers she had were good to great across the board. She did a fantastic job on M4A especially and just came across as someone who actually can answer ANY question. Not many others were able to do that.
2. Castro - Shocker? Here's my logic. Castro's name wasn't being mentioned. Nobody cared. Last night, he continually took shots at Biden, sometimes good and sometimes brutally mean but he did that...and he was talked about afterward by everyone I saw. What's the most memorable thing about last night? Castro asking Joe Biden if he forgot what he just said probably. Did Castro's more substantive answers live up to that? Some did. I think his commentary on immigration and rebuilding South America sounds really strong (even though I'm skeptical of HIM doing it after his HUD work). But regardless, he actually got himself into the discussion and any candidate that wants an attacking VP who checks some identity politics marks will probably consider him.
3. Bernie - Honestly, ABC let him get his greatest hits off and then cut his mic which hurt on some topics and hurt on others. Bernie's M4A argument is simple and with Warren backing it as well, the rhetoric he doesn't include gets filled in. Bernie's arguments are simple. Healthcare for EVERYONE, Free College for EVERYONE and that's easy to grasp for most people which is why he gets strong marks. Now, his hoarse voice definitely hurt some but the attacks on him that I've seen have been about yelling rather than anything he said. Part of that is because ABC didn't ask him about anything new. He has a justice reform and the most comprehensive climate plan in the game. He had to spend the foreign policy section explaining the difference between his democratic socialism and Maduro's mess in Venezuela (this is a tired and intellectually lazy comparison point blank). Basically, he may have had chances to help himself more or hurt himself more but ABC didn't give him that opportunity either way. So he stayed firmly in his spot near the top.
4. Booker - I want yall to know that this is me being unbiased and honestly giving Booker credit for good answers. He probably had the second most consistent performance of anybody up there. I just know he's full of crap on certain things thanks to living in Jersey. When he brought up Flint, it was a great answer...it also felt empty for me because he's been accused of knowing what was happening with Newark's water (lead in the water due to infrastructure problems ironically). But being fair to strictly what he did on stage, he helped himself. Some of his lines fell into the Beto realm of being too rehearsed but they were couched within good overall responses. He looked like someone that could push for a VP spot and hold his weight performatively.
5. Beto - I had him a bit lower until I got up this morning and spoke with others. Beto's gun response was the comment that people I talked to brought up more than anything else. I also thought he did a good job flat out saying he supports reparations (but I side eye this ish because I think he supports it how everybody supports Medicare for All but not the actual bill that was so popular last time or anything close to it). Honestly, I found most of Beto's answers falling into that rehearsed realm where he's not saying much of substance and more just chasing an applause line or a clippable moment. He'd be the best TikTok candidate in the game. But when people around me take notice, I give credit and those two answers were indeed really standout responses on a night where not a lot stood out...also, the self-translation to spanish just has to stop.
6. Yang - Andrew Yang spoke less than anybody at the last time I checked the debate speaking time trackers. That may have actually helped him because some of his responses were cringey as hell. I'm Boricuan, Puerto Rico hold a place in my heart and I've covered recent issues in podcasts off my caring about it...Yang TRIED to throw us a bone but my God it was so bad and hardly coherent that I got annoyed instead. It feels like Yang was so bad in the first two that people handicapped this one. He had one truly strong answer. That was on Education. That response was absolutely great! But beyond that his responses struck me as shallow which may or may not be my own personal bias. Yang feels like the "politics for Dummies" candidate to me; he nails a lot of the problems we face as a nation but his solutions don't fit the scope of the issues he's addressing...but they're simple to explain and easy to follow, so it translates. His most memorable moment is promising 1,000 dollars a month to 10 lucky families in a drawing...he's Win For Life'ing his way to a social media and attention bump. I hate pandering like that.
7. Klobuchar - I mean...Boomers might dig her jokes but I think they're terrible. The woman has no charisma, abuses her staff and offers nothing imaginative or exciting on stage. But she may get a bump from how hard the media is trying to push her. It feels like they really want the Biden vote to move her way or something. But I don't think that will happen because the woman is awful. I'd call her a poor man's Hillary but that's an insult to Hillary. The reason I haven't brought up her actual answers are because they were mostly trash that got outshined by others. She wants a voluntary gun buyback program, that's nice but when Beto says "hell yeah we're taking some damned guns" which do you think people will remember? That was Klobuchar all night. Safe answers that aren't damaging but also hardly move the scales.
8. Pete - I would have had Pete in Beto's spot because I didn't think he did bad on answers. But the only thing anyone spoke about from his responses (at least in a positive light) was him telling Castro not to be so mean to Biden. I think that tells you how much substance was missing from his policy ideas. Pete's got this cute spin on a public option that I don't think fools anybody at this point. Joe Biden was confused all night but when Pete explained the "Medicare for all who want it," Joe was nodding like "exactly, that's my plan." Pete was forgettable overall in a similar manner to Klobuchar. He had less how to and more flowery language but there wasn't a standout policy for anyone to get behind.
9. Harris - Is it me or did Kamala Harris lose track of what she was saying multiple times? She'd start on a roll but have these odd pauses where and lose momentum on answers. There were also just these light cringe moments. Warren gave credit to Obama and Bernie for the healthcare conversation to a nice applause...then Harris did it and then we had a domino effect of everyone on stage shouting out Obama and Bernie. Look, I'll take that but it doesn't help Harris. More importantly, Kamala Harris really didn't do anything to change her momentum. She's a fading candidate who needed some dynamite but couldn't even get a fire started. Her best moment was a laugh line about Trump being the little man behind the curtain from the Wizard of Oz, great reference but not about to galvanize voters.
10. Biden - Of course it's Biden. He may have come across sympathetic by the end of last night because he seemed confused at times, went on bizarre tangents and people were talking about his teeth falling out for while. Castro brutalized him so bad that the post debate defense of Biden sounds an awful lot like pity. Someone needs to pose the question to EVERYBODY that is complaining about what Castro did, "how do you think Donald Trump is going to behave in a debate with Joe Biden then?" To be fair, he had a spark when he started but it was built on fairly lame attacks overall. His attacks got beaten up by Warren and Sanders early and then Castro just abused the hell out of him the rest of the way. His worst moment was being asked about Obama era immigration policy. He basically hid behind Obama and said "I was only the VP" which Castro seized on. Then Biden's next response was to vigorously claim that he stands WITH Obama, but also provided NOTHING about the immigrants or the policies that administration supported. Last night was ugly but I hope it was eye opening as well.
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storyteller
Veteran
Laquan McDonald was the end of anyone having to pretend to be nice about Rahm Emanuel. He was always a PoS too, that just exposed it mainstream.