Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread

[No1]

I'm running off memory here, but if I recall correctly, Abrams showed strong numbers with Independents. Since I'm a big proponent of Bitcofer's negative partisanship theory, I put a lot of weight behind carrying independents.

Forgive me if this repetition but a quick oversimplified version of the Bitcofer theory: Democrats and Republicans are reliably going to vote for their party. Look at Trump's approval rating for proof of concept. Independents don't actually swing back and forth either, but which ones actually show up to vote can vary. So you want candidates that can either turn out independent voters that lean their way (moderates in this case) or you need someone on the opposite ticket that galvanizes the independents to show up just to vote against them (negative partisanship is the term for this).

So what I want, is a candidate that did numbers with Independent turnout to combine with the negative partisanship effect of Trump being on the opposite ticket. Abrams is moderate enough not to galvanize the opposite side's Independents while also having some poll data to support the theory that she would turn out independents...and also, the other moderates that make it into the discussion are usually people I really don't like.

Abrams won by roughly 10 percent among independent in Georgia. Now whether a Georgia independent is equivalent to an independent in Penn, MI and Wisconsin is another conversation.

 

[FAH1223]

is this because he has done something to reach us or because he looks like he can win

regardless of which wing of the party wins the nom, most of the electorate wants nominate someone "who can beat trump", the uptick in bernie isn't due to all of suddenly more and more people believing his policies or wanting be part of the revolution, just like bloomberg's polling isn't some desire to be republican lite...it's because they're one of the few looking like they can win. that said, bernie definitely has a dedicated base that shows up at events the way trump's base shows up, but this election won't be a validation of where the party stands IMO (things are going "too well" with the economy and trump avoiding a war actually works better for him than had we entered one) it will be one of do we get a corrupt racist president out or not. we're going to be right back in this tug of war in four years

Both.

His South Carolina team is very organized and he staffed up very early. I believe he has 70 paid staff in the state and they've regularly had events in the black community.

I think we're seeing those two things come together cause it can't be ignored.

Steyer has a lot of people and the advertisements helped.

Bernie's on the airwaves this month in SC too.

Completely different from 2016 in that respect.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

This debate is gonna be a fukking bloodbath

They're all gonna be trying to put Bloomberg through a table the way they did with Pete after Iowa

And I'm here for it

Pete and Amy better hope the focus is on his conservative economic policy because if it gets into a racial issue, they both are gonna get their card pulled. Amy has skated her dubious prosecutorial record on the mainstage

 

[Broke Wave]

We're going to see how much Americans actually care about corruption.

With Bloomberg surging the way he has been, I'm not sure.

Look at how shameful these people are

I am gonna keep quoting this sucka ass nikka till Bloomberg wins and he’s crying tears of toadie joy, or Bernie wins and he’s crying tears of sadness.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

still confirming what 2016 made clear to the world - white women are

Never ever forget that shyt

If you're in a room with 10 random white women, it's reasonable to assume that 50% of that room views you as an "other" and not as a woman

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

This debate is gonna be a fukking bloodbath

They're all gonna be trying to put Bloomberg through a table the way they did with Pete after Iowa

And I'm here for it

I don't think it's going to happen. We thought Bernie was gonna put Biden through a table on SS and he didn't. We thought Liz was gonna come at his neck over the bankruptcy bill and she didn't. These candidates are soft....in fact it won't surprise me if Bloomingdale get's to chirping early trying to go at someone. The moderate wing aren't going to go to hard because if Bloomberg's gambit pays off they're gonna have to kiss the ring. Liz and Bernie have to expose him with maybe Joe Biden throwing a hailmary.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Never ever forget that shyt

If you're in a room with 10 random white women, it's reasonable to assume that 50% of that room views you as an "other" and not as a woman

oh i know, they're the group i trust least at work. all that women's ERG "solidarity" rah rah stays having me like

 

[the cac mamba]

I was just in Vegas. The women out there

went for the first time last november. already booked 3 trips back this year

 

[the cac mamba]

I don't think it's going to happen. We thought Bernie was gonna put Biden through a table on SS and he didn't. We thought Liz was gonna come at his neck over the bankruptcy bill and she didn't. These candidates are soft....in fact it won't surprise me if Bloomingdale get's to chirping early trying to go at someone. The moderate wing aren't going to go to hard because if Bloomberg's gambit pays off they're gonna have to kiss the ring. Liz and Bernie have to expose him with maybe Joe Biden throwing a hailmary.

yeah, im not really sure who these candidates are that are gonna "destroy" bloomberg onstage

bloomberg is gonna be like b rabbit at the end of 8 mile. here, tell these people somethin they dont know about me

 

[King Kreole]

I see Bernie plainly calling out whoever isn't down with the program and letting them explain to the American public why they won't fall in line

I really don't see this happening. I think the "revolution! primary them!" stuff is mainly marketing. Bernie is a pragmatist, and he knows that governing requires a coalition. There are consequences for blasting off on fellow Democrats you need to enact your policies. Joe Manchin has more say over what healthcare gets enacted than Bernie Sanders does. Bernie ain't gonna say shyt to him.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

What happens when Bernie is president and he can't intact any of his policy. Will his base put in the work to get other dems/independents agreeing with his policy changes.

Bernie already has multiple Executive Orders locked and loaded

 

[ExodusNirvana]

I don't think it's going to happen. We thought Bernie was gonna put Biden through a table on SS and he didn't. We thought Liz was gonna come at his neck over the bankruptcy bill and she didn't. These candidates are soft....in fact it won't surprise me if Bloomingdale get's to chirping early trying to go at someone. The moderate wing aren't going to go to hard because if Bloomberg's gambit pays off they're gonna have to kiss the ring. Liz and Bernie have to expose him with maybe Joe Biden throwing a hailmary.

Joe already let it be known that Bloomberg is the OPPS so he's definitely licking shots tonight

Bernie as well

Liz might chile because she's a former Republican and Bloomberg will definitely counter with that

 

[A.R.$]

Liz better lite Bloomberg the fukk up.

 

[Nobu]

Never ever forget that shyt

If you're in a room with 10 random white women, it's reasonable to assume that 50% of that room views you as an "other" and not as a woman

Yup. A lot of them also oppose affirmative action, even though white women receive more of it than black people do. They play oppressed minority while also oppressing minorities.

White women benefit most from affirmative action — and are among its fiercest opponents

 

[Joe Sixpack]

This Bloomberg shyt is over tonight...

He’s getting squashed like Macho Man at 1996 Bash at the Beach