Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread

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This is good for Bernie but it is still state by state. SC have a lot of older Black voters that are probably going to vote for Biden. Bernie still need to do a better job talking directly and specifically about Black issues. He has has gotten better but he still needs to improve.
 
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That's Sanders fault for running away from anything pertaining to Black people. Older Black voters are the ones who actually vote and he needs to appeal to them more. Sanders is going to have to stop being scared of anything Black. That's my main criticism of him. It's his Achilles heel.

Steyer is beating him at this.
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Bernie Sanders will have to do a better job at appealing to Black voters especially older Black voters. Black Baby Boomers like my dad aren't convinced.

You got folks like Clyburn who believes he speaks for the whole state and trying to tell us voters we HAVE to vote for Joe Biden. I feel insulted as a Black voter here Biden's attitude is, "you people need to do this for me." I don't see Biden investing as much as Steyer here in SC and Steyer is doing a better job at appealing to Black voters than both Biden and Sanders.

I'm leaning towards Steyer over Sanders honestly because of it. :ld:
Ehh, that is to some extent regional. My dad and his cousins were team Bernie in 2016 - black baby boomers In Cali. And my dad leans him (steyer and warren) this year tho hesitates purely on age. All black baby boomers ain’t as “hard to reach” as those down south
 

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Last night might have set the bar for debate fukkery. Bloomberg had shills in audience and the moderators coaching him through his answers. shyt reminded me of when Vince McMahon use to get in the ring for matches against the wrestlers and stack the deck with outside interference and other shenanigans :whew:

And crickets from all the other networks. Unbelievable. This just shows the Liberal media is just as hypocritical as the Fox guys they claim to hate.
 

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Bernie Sanders will have to do a better job at appealing to Black voters especially older Black voters. Black Baby Boomers like my dad aren't convinced.

You got folks like Clyburn who believes he speaks for the whole state and trying to tell us voters we HAVE to vote for Joe Biden. I feel insulted as a Black voter here Biden's attitude is, "you people need to do this for me." I don't see Biden investing as much as Steyer here in SC and Steyer is doing a better job at appealing to Black voters than both Biden and Sanders.

I'm leaning towards Steyer over Sanders honestly because of it. :ld:
Outside of reparations what exactly is Steyer doing that Sanders isn’t? I’m sorry, but that doesn’t even have majority black support. And I really am getting tired of you pretending that Southern Black people speak for the entire country. As a general rule, you guys are more conservative than us at everything. Steyer is running a vanity campaign and is flooding the airwaves with ads and is saying reparations. Aside from that all he does is me too Bernie and Warren who have actual records. Warren talks intersectionality better than him and Sanders has better policies than him. The fact that he has a pulse with South Carolina black people doesn’t mean that the other people aren’t doing enough, it means the electorate is old and stubborn and watches a lot of TV. But let me stop before I come across as another East Coast dude talking down on the south.
 

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The Clemson poll has Biden at 35% followed by Stayer at 17%? :wtf:

The deep south really is just the worst region in the country.
Fam they really think that a dude who profited off prisons and the coal industry who is spending millions on a vanity campaign doing well in their state shows the other candidates are “failing.” fukk out of here. Steyer performing better than Warren and Sanders on Saturday will pretty much cause the rest of us to decide to give Arizona the first Southern primary.
 

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What a disaster that was huh? That debate was just a mudslinging match, it was a perfect amalgamation of how Donald Trump is able to constantly use "look at what they did" to justify his more extreme versions of politics as usual. Candidates saw Warren's bump from the last debate and all decided to try and get their attack highlight...and they all failed. The moderators had no control over anything and didn't even appear to have a coherent strategy for when to let rebuttals happen. CBS also had zero control over a crowd that literally boo'ed everything thrown at Bloomberg from mainly Warren and Sanders. In the end there was some productivity. We got extended comments about helping the black community and my pet issue of funding the CDC properly came into view. But the big conclusion here is that there were no real winners. I'm not sure anyone actually helped their case and gave us anything new to work with.

Typical note: I base the rankings on who gave themselves the best chance to move up the ladder or make gains.

1. Biden - No one did particularly well, but at least Joe Biden finished with two things going for him. First, he quickly and frequently pointed out that the debate was a mess with the "angry old man" vigor that can be charming when used right. He had a couple of laugh lines in there. Second, for one of the leaders in SC polling, he got out of there without anyone hitting his agenda. This dude took credit for every positive Democratic development for the last thirty years and nobody bothered to mention that he was exaggerating most of the time. Like I've said, everyone was weak and he did have flaws. His CDC answer during the coronavirus bit was nearly incomprehensible between the slurring, losing train of thought and moderators distracting him. Taking credit for everything that's ever gone right also started to get old. But overall, if anyone came away with an improvement, it's probably Joe.

2. Warren - In a similar fashion to Biden, Warren got a nice boost from being able to avoid most of the fray. She reminded everyone that Bloomberg has 60+ accusations of harassment early and the one-sided crowd boo'ed her a bit, but I think she got the point across without hurting her image. From there, Warren played a game of letting the candidates snipe at Bernie, then sealing off those attacks by pointing out the ideas and goals are popular but that she feels her plans are better. I'm not entirely sure if that will be enough to peel off votes from the moderates, but it reinstilled the "this woman actually has plans and goals" idea that she gained steam running on in the first place. So she managed to thread the needle of "these are the most popular ideas" and "their attacking Bernie but my plans are better which is why they aren't hitting me." I get what she was going for and think she did so effectively. My one concern is on a night with so much venom, she could end up an afterthought for her best responses...also her Foreign Policy answers have consistently sucked. So Biden edges this.

3. Bernie - I know half the board will cling to the Castro jabs or ignore that the M4A payment plan assumes we all recognize there's already federal money spent on healthcare that would combine with his new funding mechanisms...but ask yourself seriously, do you think last night removed Bernie from front runner status? I don't. I'm a bit shocked to see polls where he wound up atop the field for last night's performance, but I think that reflects his overall standing right now. It was impossible to miss that he was a constant target, but he stuck to message and got some really nice shots in. Bernie continues to stand out for refusing to bend to pressures (ie: the entire Castro thing that echoes Obama's attempts to normalize relations but is now bad for...reasons I guess); and I think that's a big boost since his base of support is anti-establishment and looking for someone to fight. His best moment for me was pointing out that the U.S. has interfered in a lot of other governments, but I think the most important message for the public came in the comment that Pete tried to drown out which Bernie doubled down on to close the show

"What I'm proposing is not radical, it's what the people want" ...I think hammering that home before the general election is important for someone sitting in the lead right now.

4. Amy - Klobuchar also got the "no one's attacking me" bump but she did nothing with it. She didn't push any new ideas or messages and her own platform looks milquetoast even next to the other moderates. Her strategy seemed focused on being able to win Republican support...literally, that's the idea that stood out from her performance. In a Democratic Primary, I'm not sure that's the most important or valuable takeaway you want to give an audience.

5. Steyer - Had some solid answers but generally speaking, does anyone think this guy's name will come up meaningfully after last night? He probably should have hammered home his support for reparation with that opportunity and a long discussion on race. But he still did well there to bring up that EVERYTHING systemically has been built on the backdrop of certain racial tensions. That said, that was his one time saying something meaningful and he didn't bring that thought around to a policy proposal that clearly addresses it. He identified the problem without much weight on the solution. That was a problem with most of his answers imo.

6. Bloomberg - This dude had a crowd that was clearly supporting him and still managed to get crickets on a joke attempt. He was awkward, once again didn't have good answers on harassment or his tax returns...and the tax returns was bad. It's an issue we recognize because of Trump and his excuse got blown up by the other billionaire on stage. In terms of good? He actually did identify why the coronavirus threat is worse than it has to be. He mentioned Trump cutting CDC funding and attempts to limit NIH funding as well. All of our systems that would help address and handle a potential pandemic have been weakened. But then other candidates were more forceful about replenishing the institutions. So even on a decent answer, others stole his thunder. That's besides whiffing and getting hit for redlining, soda sizes, stop and frisk, taxes, sexual harassment, etc. Also; the man almost slipped and said "I bought them" about Democratic senators, inadvertently boosting the messages of Bernie and Warren.

7. Pete - No one did more ad-libbing while others spoke, tried to steal the mic from the moderators only to be silenced or generally spoke over others more than Pete Buttigeig. His complete inability to wait his turn or act like an adult was every millenial stereotype embodied. The man started on a message about how he's someone the party can unite behind, then he attacked and provoked others all night. Pete's focus was mostly on Bernie but it got to a desperate point where we'd be two topics later and Pete's trying to latch on to Warren's filibuster mention or Bernie's use of the word "radical." The canned lines didn't land; the petulant behavior trashed any image of uniting people he wanted; and Pete came off as little more than a pest. Don't let this slip by either, Bernie mentioned the actual projected cost of Pete's M4all-who-want it BS which is higher than M4A that he always attacks. Pete didn't refute it, he compared it to the cost of the entirety of Bernie's platform...weak.

Lastly, the 1700 dollar guaranteed seat drama was pervasive on twitter. On top of that, independent coverage of the debates got copyright stricken by a third party group CBS was paying. The typical response came out "you're being conspiratorial" which doesn't really explain why there's such a heavy profit motive being applied here. It's a not a conspiracy to complain that the seats are too expensive, limiting access to an event that we're supposed to want as many people to have access to as possible. It's not a good look to cut off sources that are providing explanations and commentary on what we're hearing. You want turnout? Make the debates available to as many audiences as possible. And if you don't want to look like you're biased for one candidate, the least you can do is not run his campaign ads every commercial break. I'm certain he bought the time like everybody else, it doesn't change the optics on that. And we've heard all too much about optics in relation to Cuba's literacy vs Castro's legacy for anyone to feign ignorance on how something might not be bad but can give off a bad impression.


Dope analysis breh :ehh:
 

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Because they don't support your candidate?

Their voting sense is just another indicator of why they the most backward region in the country.

Education levels, health, bigotry etc all thrive in the South more than any other region... and this is coming from a nikka from ATL.
 

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Man I got so fukking drunk last night I missed all this good shyt. My people coming around on Bernie is legit making me emotional. In 2016 trying to pull black folks to Bernie’s side was like pulling teeth. This is making me so happy
Stay outta TLR then. That place is an alternate universe. I wonder how many of them rambling about Bernie being a racist are really Black.
 

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Warren voted for Nixon, Reagan and Bush 1 and didn't become a liberal till she was 47 in 1996 :lolbron:

During that year, as a teen, I had a better sense of right and wrong than Liz did. :mjlol:

Shouts out to Liz though. We'll let her run the treasury. You on the other hand, will be in central park with Chris Matthews.
Which I why I can never really fukk with her like that. Her turn to progressivism was the result of an intellectual data-based critique, not an innate passion for the people. During the civil rights movement and other progressive social justice movements throughout the decades she was like :manny:

That’s why I like her as a politician, I would vote for her and I think she would be a great president. But I can’t really get behind her all the way like that and I definitely am not talking her over real deal Bern-the-field.
 

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Bernie Sanders will have to do a better job at appealing to Black voters especially older Black voters. Black Baby Boomers like my dad aren't convinced.

You got folks like Clyburn who believes he speaks for the whole state and trying to tell us voters we HAVE to vote for Joe Biden. I feel insulted as a Black voter here Biden's attitude is, "you people need to do this for me." I don't see Biden investing as much as Steyer here in SC and Steyer is doing a better job at appealing to Black voters than both Biden and Sanders.

I'm leaning towards Steyer over Sanders honestly because of it. :ld:
2 questions:
1. How much money has Steyer put into SC to win the primary?
2. When he loses the nomination, how much money will Steyer put into SC to help the people?
 
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