Occupy Wall Street 10th Anniversary

Did OCCUPY change America?


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The usa is a very different country if reconstruction didn't get fukked over

Very different. The 60s was the next closest chance and they stamped that shyt out and got rid of free college. The third go around will either be very explosive or go out with a whimper. Hopefully Occupy was just the seeds and not the whimper.
 

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First tweet is :patrice: I don’t think occupy changed America unless you’re fine with “conversations and ideas” (which still aren’t widely adopted/agreed upon) being considered “change”.

Yes it changed the country. Before that and a lot of other acts of Progressive defiance, this country was barrelling down the Milton Friedmann, purple Dems, economic right wing dominated policies. No way someone like AOC gets elected pre-Occupy.

Just because you haven't gotten all your policies inacted doesn't mean you're losing. It's going to take 10 more years to turn things around assuming Democrats don't fall back into the "appease centrist Republicans to win" trap. Republicans have seen in coming which is why you see all this win-at-all-costs flailing and Trumpster/Nobama uprisings.
 

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Obama really snaked the left in this moment

No he didn't. People forget that Presidents can't do much without Congressional backing especially when you've got a "make Obama a 1 term president at all costs" opposition in power. Even after Obamacare passed Democratic Congressional leadership took the "let's pretend we didn't want to vote for it" approach instead of defending it. Obama spent 4 years with the primary talking point being "he's not really a US resident so he's not really President". And after 2 years busting his ass getting Obamacare established, "woke" Democrats responded by giving Congress back to Republicans after only 2 years.

Biden is benefiting from:
  1. coming off the worse Presidency in US history
  2. a COVID recession giving him a lot of political power
  3. being White and being blessed with permission to make radical changes. Republicans literally wouldn't vote for laws they wrote just because Obama came on TV and said they were good ideas.
And I'm not saying he was perfect or close to it. I can name probalby 10 decisions off the top of my head that I hated from Obama. I'm just tired of this "Obama didn't do shyt in 8 years" meme that keeps getting propagated in the Black community.
 

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There’s a new Occupy Wall Street goin on right now.






















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Apes don't have that kind of fiscal power (I'm one BTW). They can nibble at the edges but it's going to take systematic change like putting Elizabeth Warren in charge of the SEC.
 

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Very different. The 60s was the next closest chance and they stamped that shyt out and got rid of free college. The third go around will either be very explosive or go out with a whimper. Hopefully Occupy was just the seeds and not the whimper.
i would argue the reaction to the great depression in the 1930s was america's second left move with an expansion of socialist policy, then the civil rights voting protections of the 60s was the 3rd.
 

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No he didn't. People forget that Presidents can't do much without Congressional backing especially when you've got a "make Obama a 1 term president at all costs" opposition in power. Even after Obamacare passed Democratic Congressional leadership took the "let's pretend we didn't want to vote for it" approach instead of defending it. Obama spent 4 years with the primary talking point being "he's not really a US resident so he's not really President". And after 2 years busting his ass getting Obamacare established, "woke" Democrats responded by giving Congress back to Republicans after only 2 years.

Biden is benefiting from:
  1. coming off the worse Presidency in US history
  2. a COVID recession giving him a lot of political power
  3. being White and being blessed with permission to make radical changes. Republicans literally wouldn't vote for laws they wrote just because Obama came on TV and said they were good ideas.
And I'm not saying he was perfect or close to it. I can name probalby 10 decisions off the top of my head that I hated from Obama. I'm just tired of this "Obama didn't do shyt in 8 years" meme that keeps getting propagated in the Black community.
Holy shyt this guy quoted me and gave me literally every single one of Obama’s excuses for 8 years of near total impotence. That’s impressive dude.
Great work, I’m gonna give you a rep.
 

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i would argue the reaction to the great depression in the 1930s was america's second left move with an expansion of socialist policy, then the civil rights voting protections of the 60s was the 3rd.
3,000 percent agree.

The 60s was the introduction of identity liberalism but post-depression you saw a real leftist movement that forced WASPy FDR attempt to change the nations economics (for whites).
 

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The left is wild p*ssy.

the right got no shame with their bullshyt and push for what they want(and get it). While the left worries about offending the right.

The left gets infiltrated and destroyed by the FBI and while the right can storm the US Capitol and face little consequences.

If I remember correctly they did almost nothing, but then Oakland and buffalo started a OWS chapter. Them Oakland boys was not playing and fbi shut the three major OWS movements over a weekend. That shyt disappeared overnight it was crazy.

The usa is a very different country if reconstruction didn't get fukked over

Grant almost annexed Dominican republic to send the slaves there. He didn't think black people were ever gonna get a fair shake in America. Woulda been crazy if he succeeded.
 

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If I remember correctly they did almost nothing, but then Oakland and buffalo started a OWS chapter. Them Oakland boys was not playing and fbi shut the three major OWS movements over a weekend. That shyt disappeared overnight it was crazy.



Grant almost annexed Dominican republic to send the slaves there. He didn't think black people were ever gonna get a fair shake in America. Woulda been crazy if he succeeded.

I sometimes wonder if America had indulged more in imperialism if it could’ve provided a stronger counterweight with a much larger minority underclass.

If the Spanish Caribbean islands, Haiti, the Philippines, and Micronesian countries were all American states like Hawaii and Alaska would that of pushed things further left in order to maintain order? Hawaii is small and Alaska was too sparsely populated so it was easier for whites to take over. That would’ve been different in some of the other places they had a chance to take over and annex like Mexico.

I have to say that if nothing else the architects of the country were incredibly lucky to maintain the necessary demographics to continue their general bullshyt given the chances they had to absorb many countries. Southern senators had crackpot schemes like taking over Brazil and creating a giant slave state in the Amazon.
 

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I sometimes wonder if America had indulged more in imperialism if it could’ve provided a stronger counterweight with a much larger minority underclass.

If the Spanish Caribbean islands, Haiti, the Philippines, and Micronesian countries were all American states like Hawaii and Alaska would that of pushed things further left in order to maintain order? Hawaii is small and Alaska was too sparsely populated so it was easier for whites to take over. That would’ve been different in some of the other places they had a chance to take over and annex like Mexico.

I have to say that if nothing else the architects of the country were incredibly lucky to maintain the necessary demographics to continue their general bullshyt given the chances they had to absorb many countries. Southern senators had crackpot schemes like taking over Brazil and creating a giant slave state in the Amazon.

Reconstruction was the turning point. They were determined to have an underclass. Grant was a great man. Don't believe he was racist at all, he just didn't know the politics game. He wasnt that kind of guy.

If let's say John Adams was the president he woulda had a great plan. FDR too if Eleanor tells him to stop being a faq.
 

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I'm always surprised at how quickly people forget what the zeitgeist was prior to Bernie's run. That's even more dramatic when I look at how people view Occupy Wall Street. The Dubya era of political discourse was...rough, at least for anyone preaching that lefty ish.

Occupy Wall Street was certainly a moment in American history. It could have been a nation-changing event. But Obama didn't prosecute any Wall Street CEOs. In fact, Obama was gonna let that pipeline happen until Sanders and armed vets showed up to North Dakota. After all that, Trump became President. Biden is now President.

So no, it did not change America
 

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Occupy Wall Street was certainly a moment in American history. It could have been a nation-changing event. But Obama didn't prosecute any Wall Street CEOs. In fact, Obama was gonna let that pipeline happen until Sanders and armed vets showed up to North Dakota. After all that, Trump became President. Biden is now President.

So no, it did not change America

Again, if you only limit the discussion to OWS' impact on electoral politics, you are completely missing what OWS did accomplish.

This board also puts a hell of a lot of focus on electoral politics. Occupy was about activism from people who felt abandoned by the politics of the day. OWS was more on the organize and activate tip...it brought a lot of disparate goals with similar principles into one place and group. The success stories out of it are things like mutual aid, smaller housing and student debt forgiveness strategies. The politicians didn't help any of that, it was like "we gotta do this ish ourselves."

Bernie's run was what got all those disparate goals back under one roof with a more electorally focused mindset. Heads here are super focused on that side of things and honestly, since Bernie so is most of the lefty discourse I run into (at least on the internet and forums like this...in person is a little different). But OWS was a different type of animal.
 
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