Obama Administration Unveil Major New Rules Targeting Segregation Across U.S.

[Darts]

When the Fair Housing Act was passed in 1968, it barred the outright racial discrimination that was then routine. It also required the government to go one step further — to actively dismantle segregation and foster integration in its place — a mandate that for decades has been largely forgotten, neglected and unenforced.

Now, on Wednesday, the Obama administration will announce long-awaited rules designed to repair the law’s unfulfilled promise and promote the kind of racially integrated neighborhoods that have long eluded deeply segregated cities like Chicago and Baltimore. The new rules, a top demand of civil-rights groups, will require cities and towns all over the country to scrutinize their housing patterns for racial bias and to publicly report, every three to five years, the results. Communities will also have to set goals, which will be tracked over time, for how they will further reduce segregation.

“This is the most serious effort that HUD has ever undertaken to do that,” says Julian Castro, the secretary of the department of Housing and Urban Development, who will announce the new rules in Chicago on Wednesday. “I believe that it’s historic.”

Officials insist that they want to work with and not punish communities where segregation exists. But the new reports will make it harder to conceal when communities consistently flout the law. And in the most flagrant cases, HUD holds out the possibility of withholding a portion of the billions of dollars of federal funding it hands out each year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...r-new-rules-targeting-segregation-across-u-s/

Entire article is worth reading. This could potentially be very transformational to American society.

 

[CASHAPP]

I hate to be that guy but this is "historic"? Because it leads to more integration? Really?

 

[A.R.$]

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I dislike housing discrimination but I think the main focus should be to build up our communities. I also think this might speed up the process of Black people moving out to the suburbs and White people moving back to the cities. I'm going have to do some more research on this

 

[AJaRuleStan]

Let ppl sort themselves out how they choose to. This forced multicultural shyt is stupid.

 

[Darts]

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I dislike housing discrimination but I think the main focus should be to build up our communities. I also think this might speed up the process of Black people moving out to the suburbs and White people moving back to the cities. I'm going have to do some more research on this

Yeah there's some good intentions behind it, but it can also lead to negative unintended consequences imo. It's kinda hard to determine if the good is gonna outweigh the bad.

 

[Apollo Creed]

did not read, but if this is not about Economic empowerment and building infrastructure in existing black areas I do not care.

 

[newworldafro]

Literally what the Soviet Union did, by moving ethnic groups around the country. How can you enforce this. Better to build up existing communities.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Let ppl sort themselves out how they choose to. This forced multicultural shyt is stupid.

Its not about forced multicultural shyt.

The infastructure of this country was set up to remove power and opportunity from one group of people, and give it all to another.

This effort attempts to change that. This could change the country a lot, if its truly followed up on and not just talk.

 

[AJaRuleStan]

Its not about forced multicultural shyt.

The infastructure of this country was set up to remove power and opportunity from one group of people, and give it all to another.

This effort attempts to change that. This could change the country a lot, if its truly followed up on and not just talk.

Can you narrow it down. For example, what opportunity has allegedly been removed in the current state of just letting ppl sort themselves out?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Can you narrow it down. For example, what opportunity has allegedly been removed in the current state of just letting ppl sort themselves out?

First off people didn't just sort themselves out to create the current state. The current state was created by government policy. Corralling poor minorities in underdeveloped areas full of dead end rental properties, and drawing the districts to reduce their political power, while basically passing out homes and wealth and power to white families.

Second the plan in the OP doesn't look to force integration, it just looks to identify and rectify policy that creates an unfair situation. In fact it would actually promote people being able to live where they want without arbitrary barriers created by unfair policy.

Now with that out of the way I'll answer your question.

The biggest opportunity missed by the current state is education. Two kids could live a street over from each other and have totaly different educational experiences/opportunities. And that's a direct result of the policies this effort is looking to address.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Let ppl sort themselves out how they choose to. This forced multicultural shyt is stupid.

The problem is that many landowners/lords openly are racist in giving contracts to tenants.

Its not about forcing anything, its about leveling the playing field.

 

[AJaRuleStan]

First off people didn't just sort themselves out to create the current state. The current state was created by government policy. Corralling poor minorities in underdeveloped areas full of dead end rental properties, and drawing the districts to reduce their political power, while basically passing out homes and wealth and power to white families.

Lets unpack your logic.

Your claiming segregated residential areas among the racial groups are not a creation of choice, but instead created by these factors -- middle income neighborhoods have prices that are meant to be affordable for middle income families/groups, so implicitly they're not affordable for low income families, and Gov't policy is deigned in way that prevents home builders from building low-income houses in affluent neighborhoods. And since racial disparities in income exist, all of this prevents poor minorities from living in affluent neighborhoods.

okay, assuming I interpreted you beliefs correctly, It's nice. Might even sound true in ones own mind, but can you test your theory against some hard facts and prove it true?

What I mean is this: Not all minorities are low-income, so lets test you logic against were middle class Latinos, Blacks, and Asian who can afford to live in affluent neighborhoods actually choose to live, and than we can test your logic against were poor whites on average choose to live. If you argument is true, on average, we should find these groups separated by income and not race; However, you might be surprised by how hard the facts will ether your theory.

The Gov't claim is just flat out false, just check fair housing acts of the 60s, Community Reinvestment act of the 70s/housing boom and bust.

The biggest opportunity missed by the current state is education. Two kids could live a street over from each other and have totaly different educational experiences/opportunities. And that's a direct result of the policies this effort is looking to address.

Okay, you see a disparity in academic achievement in minority schools and assume it must be difference in spending in those school districts causing it, so if more minorities attended those schools in white affluent neighborhoods they would share the academic achievements. Hmm, classic left cliche argument. One question, have you check'd if stands up to the cold, hard, facts!

Facts:
- decades-long attempts to mix black and white school children through school busing since 65, and here are the results, "A 1992 study led by Harvard University Professor Gary Orfield, who supports busing, found black and Hispanic students lacked "even modest overall improvement" as a result of court-ordered busing...Another mystery was why Asian students, segregated in some school systems, nevertheless thrived academically."

- Since 1980, we have increased federal education spending by 81 percent to the tune $147.9 billion in fiscal year 2002, and the disparities continue. More money does not automatically lead to improved academic performance.

- from 1870 to 1955(PRE CIVIL RIGHTS), A extremely poor all black HS, Washington’s M Street/Dunbar High School, repeatedly equaled or exceeded national norms on standardized tests of it's white counter parts.

Conclusion:
The is no empirical basis to claim that a greater chance of academic success will occur if minorities attend successful white schools because of the schools resources.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Lets unpack your logic.

Your claiming segregated residential areas among the racial groups are not a creation of choice, but instead created by these factors -- middle income neighborhoods have prices that are meant to be affordable for middle income families/groups, so implicitly they're not affordable for low income families, and Gov't policy is deigned in way that prevents home builders from building low-income houses in affluent neighborhoods. And since racial disparities in income exist, all of this prevents poor minorities from living in affluent neighborhoods.

okay, assuming I interpreted you beliefs correctly, It's nice. Might even sound true in ones own mind, but can you test your theory against some hard facts and prove it true?

What I mean is this: Not all minorities are low-income, so lets test you logic against were middle class Latinos, Blacks, and Asian who can afford to live in affluent neighborhoods actually choose to live, and than we can test your logic against were poor whites on average choose to live. If you argument is true, on average, we should find these groups separated by income and not race; However, you might be surprised by how hard the facts will ether your theory.

The Gov't claim is just flat out false, just check fair housing acts of the 60s, Community Reinvestment act of the 70s/housing boom and bust.

Its not logic or an opinion, its history.

Read up on it.

Okay, you see a disparity in academic achievement in minority schools and assume it must be difference in spending in those school districts causing it, so if more minorities attended those schools in white affluent neighborhoods they would share the academic achievements. Hmm, classic left cliche argument. One question, have you check'd if stands up to the cold, hard, facts!

Facts:
- decades-long attempts to mix black and white school children through school busing since 65, and here are the results, "A 1992 study led by Harvard University Professor Gary Orfield, who supports busing, found black and Hispanic students lacked "even modest overall improvement" as a result of court-ordered busing...Another mystery was why Asian students, segregated in some school systems, nevertheless thrived academically."

- Since 1980, we have increased federal education spending by 81 percent to the tune $147.9 billion in fiscal year 2002, and the disparities continue. More money does not automatically lead to improved academic performance.

- from 1870 to 1955(PRE CIVIL RIGHTS), A extremely poor all black HS, Washington’s M Street/Dunbar High School, repeatedly equaled or exceeded national norms on standardized tests of it's white counter parts.

Conclusion:
The is no empirical basis to claim that a greater chance of academic success will occur if minorities attend successful white schools because of the schools resources.

Not even gonna address this dumb shyt here.

You got some reading and learning to do before you are worthy of another response from me.

 

[Red Shield]

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I dislike housing discrimination but I think the main focus should be to build up our communities. I also think this might speed up the process of Black people moving out to the suburbs and White people moving back to the cities. I'm going have to do some more research on this

Wouldn't be surprised... since they have been pushing blacks outta the cities. This might be a way to speed the process up

Like I said black folk once out in the abandoned suburbs and rural areas... you had better have resources

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

White people like being around eachother. They're comfortable around eachother. They have communities and businesses so they can cater to eachother.




Until we get the same mindset we'll stay begging to be apart of their table instead of building our own