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What kind of network can be obtained from a run of the mill state college? How many presidents and business leaders come out of those schools?
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What kind of network can be obtained from a run of the mill state college? How many presidents and business leaders come out of those schools?
Did you miss the post where I said if you're 30k in debt and didn't go to an elite undergrad that you did it wrong?
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Do you realize that it costs more than 30,000 to go to a crap state school, now?
Next time you go to walmart or something like that, if you see a salesrep from a wine company, Kellogs, or fritolay. Ask him or her where they got their degree in or from. I bet 100% of them will say they went to college and got business or Liberal arts degree from a state school. In fact, look at some of the job postings at those schools. There almost all salesrep positions from Merchandising companies.
4 years in college and 30k+ in debt just to be bytched at have to grovel to some store manager with no degree. That's a wise decision? fukk that, I'd rather be a welder.
Listen, there's another thread in the locker room where I expand upon this. You're putting words in my mouth and I don't feel like repeating myself.
VerbalIntercourse
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Here's your mouth.
A great opportunity for the 1% that make into the elite schools, sure. Otherwise, unless your in accounting, nursing or STEM, and then, you have a GPA above 3.7 (lower for engineering), you're going to be disappointed with your job opportunities (i.e. Salesrep for PepsiCo or Gallo)
for the non-elite students with high GPAs are three avenues: Accounting, Nursing, STEM, otherwise it's salesrep work, Barnes and Nobles, Starbucks or Waitressing. That's not a lot of choice for students. Not everyone has interest in those fields.
What family, in this economy, and seriously afford these outrageous tuition costs, even for state schools?
I think I should blame people that make college out to be this glorious one-way ticket to job security, wisdom, lifelong friendships, and elite networks when for the vast majority, it simply does not result in any of that.
lots of people treated college like highschool now its biting them in the ass because they have no job, and they owe money
c/s
Nothing in this lifetime is secure.
Sohh, we're going to act like there aren't benefits to living in a more educated society.
Wouldn't you rather see more Ricky Gills than KingPinOG's walking around
or more blacks with the education of
opposed to pookie and rayray...So what should adolescents be busy doing beside learning?
Why even go to go to high school?
Why learn another language or how to perfect your writing skills?
Why do anything?
Should we switch to a system of trade schools similar to Germany?
You can't control the markets breh. I bet if the economy was doing swell this
whole conservation pending someones major would be all null & void....
If someone majored in Art History from University of Phoenix sohh what.
How bout you point some blame at your conservative brothers who took this
country from 10 trillion in surplus to 15 trillion in deficit.
And have convinced their largely "uneducated" followers that things should
be able to turn around in a little over two years.
VerbalIntercourse
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KingpinOG is educated person with a stable job. People don't agree with his views and he doesn't repeat what every biased instructor in America says, so you assume he's not educated. He doesn't say what Your professor said is right, so you automatically assume he's stupid. that's one of many problems with school system.
Ricky Gill went to the elite schools for his undergrad and Grad schools. He's also Asian and from a wealthy family. That's two strikes against him. A person like him has to perform significantly better than average to be accepted in a school of that level. His GPA, Resume and test scores are in the 99.9 percentile, of that I'm sure. That makes him virtually inapplicable to this thread.
or more blacks with the education of
So what should adolescents be busy doing beside learning?
Why even go to go to high school?
That's a good question. Why even go to high school? is there something intrinsically valuable about highschool level education? Do you really need a high school education to be a janitor, or a shop mechanic, or foreman? What about the job with the best growth outlook, Cashiering, you don't even need english literacy to operate a cashier's terminal anymore.
Different skill sets for different people. Not everyone needs to know how to read and understand Shakespeare or Plato's utopia. Look at this site. This sub-forum is the least visited on this site, and KTL was likewise. Most people have little interest in Politics and philosophy, not because they aren't "educated", but because it isn't relevant to their lives. THEY DON'T need that knowledge. There's an efficient level of knowledge for every person.
that's a good step in the right direction.
The problem was beginning long before 2008. The market is signalling, currently, that their simply too many people with useless degrees, and not enough people with tangible skills like trades. That's why welders, plumbers and other techs are getting paid, and non STEM 4-year degree holders aren't. There are job sites where contracts can't even find enough welders for the job.
If someone majored in Art History from University of Phoenix sohh what.
How bout you point some blame at your conservative brothers who took this
country from 10 trillion in surplus to 15 trillion in deficit.
Entitlements and Medicare, which largely account for the deficit, were not the product of Conservatives.
It seems like Obama and his lot are the ones who pulled that elaborate rouse.
Look, princeapality, I'm not some dude who is going to argue with someone for no reason and waste my time. It's really not that difficult to go find my recent posts under my name and get my point. I'm not going to re-write everything for you. I know you think you made a point and all, but I did not read your recent post so I can't be sure of that. I just noticed you thought you were making some point by quoting my short statements. I'll say it really short:
If you are 30K in debt from a non-elite university you messed up. Now what could that possibly mean? As I said in a previous thread: Go the CC route and then transfer. Doesn't make sense otherwise. The reason why people make these mistakes is because of a lack of information and foresight. That's why I said anyone whose family can't afford that should have been seeking a better guidance counselor. I'm too tired to write an essay right now.
If you are 30K in debt from a non-elite university you messed up. Now what could that possibly mean? As I said in a previous thread: Go the CC route and then transfer. Doesn't make sense otherwise. The reason why people make these mistakes is because of a lack of information and foresight. That's why I said anyone whose family can't afford that should have been seeking a better guidance counselor. I'm too tired to write an essay right now.
VerbalIntercourse
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Bro, I don't have the time or the want to go searching for your screen and reading threads that I have no interest in.
30K is the going rate for State schools here in this state, yet you say that is too much for non-elite school? You're also forgetting the time investment. I just don't see 4 years invested to make 40K a year as a wise investment. a 1.5 year Rad-tech degree is worth 60-80k a year. a bookkeeper makes 40K, so does a McDonald's manager.
Honestly, why should anyone go to college if they are just going to end up being a Salesrep for PepsiCO or Fritolay?
Well that thread is better than this one so I'd hope you'd be interested. Secondly, I'm not into all that attitude stuff relax
Third, I don't know what state you live in and quite frankly that's not my issue. Sounds like you live in California and you have much bigger problems than that with school prices. But regardless, what's your point? Use your brain. People are talking about what a scam college is and I'm sitting here telling you that they're right and that's why if you're not going to an elite undergrad that you made a mistake. You will likely not gain that value back in any reasonable time.
The costs of higher education are a major problem, but I'm not focusing on that. I'm talking about as an individual and as institutions (high school) people are uninformed and misled which leads to bad decisions. Even though your hypothetical is extreme, it accentuates my point. If that's all you're going to get out of college, why did you spend that much money on it? It doesn't make sense. Sure you got a job you would not have had out of college, but were the loans worth it? No.
4 years is a wise investments because most people do not stay in the same career all their life. If you don't go then you just put a cap on your future earnings. You're not thinking logically. If you don't go college then McDonald's manager is your cap. If you have the degree then you can flip it as experience and move up. I got to go though it's my sister's prom. I have to pick her up from this party right now.
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Colleges are businesses themselves; a huge amount of money is thrown into research. The curriculum can't be taught without active research.
The real problem is the amount of students who go to college and choose a bullsh*t major just to get a degree and hope the prestige of the degree itself will make up for their lack of experience in whatever job they apply for.