NSA Wiretapping and Snowden on the run

[RAX 010]

and this is who you base your ideology after?

thats against the rules to flip my nas quote against me...
some sort of violation is in order...



mods

 

[RAX 010]

no no he just trolled them apparently, booked a ticket under his name on that flight, when a bunch of journalist showed up/booked the same flight on the plane the seat was empty

Like a Boss
:outlaw:

 

[Shogun]

Jay Carney talking reckless about China

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH8bQH2EQtk"]Jay Carney: Snowden Departure Is Setback With China and Hong Kong Relations - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Kid McNamara]

If there is nothing wrong with what snowden leaked why wasn't it made public, you liberal cool-aid drinking ignoramus.

At least the Chinese don't hide the fact that they are monitoring their citizens.

never in my life did I ever think a communist government would be more open than an American government..

What are you, a beat cop? With that nonsensical, "if you didn't commit a crime, then why did you..." logic. There are a number of reasons why a large national security apparatus chooses to classify information regarding the very nature of how and why it conducts clandestine operations vital to the security of a nation and it's citizens. I do not believe this is a game you really want to play.

Kill the ad hominem and raise an actual argument or let others discuss this without the nonsense.

Stop Trolling.

ok thanks for clearing that up, but if i read you correctly you are agreeing that what the NSA was doing was "legal"

Yes. I would argue that the program is legal and constitutional. It follows investigative strategies employed long before the NSA had the technological ability to monitor, collect, and analyze massive amounts of communication.

Scale is the only difference, but arguing against the scale of the program is meaningless because one would have to establish a threshold and argue why law enforcement can monitor the threshold as opposed to the whole (and I mean, when employing investigative tactics such as DNRs).

 

[Roaden Polynice]

going from china, russia to cuba...a real american hero obviously

i read your post and that song was what i first heard. the top comments on the video? about snowden da gawd.


that's my whistleblower

 

[newarkhiphop]

the Russian commentary is hilarious

 

[the next guy]

Most Obama fans are just mindless syncophants and cowards

the worldismine13....

 

[the next guy]

what is wrong with the NSA hacking into chinese computers?

Nothing I actually support it my problem is the US government accusing Chinese of hacking when they do it 100x worse.

Hacking is ILLEGAL Chris you know this!

 

[theworldismine13]

Hacking is ILLEGAL Chris you know this!

What law says its illegal to hack china?

 

[the next guy]

What law says its illegal to hack china?

Why does it have to be a specific law. If a private us citizen hacks a computer anywhere on the planet, they can be found, put on trial for getting info that is not theirs and sent to jail. There is no grey area here. Hacking is illegal and punishable.

http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-re...for-crimes-affecting-over-one-million-victims

 

[theworldismine13]

Why does it have to be a specific law. If a private us citizen hacks a computer anywhere on the planet, they can be found, put on trial for getting info that is not theirs and sent to jail. There is no grey area here. Hacking is illegal and punishable.

FBI — Six Hackers in the United States and Abroad Charged for Crimes Affecting Over One Million Victims

There isn't any law that says the us cant hack into a chinese computer, the us government is not a private citizen

Y'all are so niave, no wonder you believe Benedict Arnold

 

[the next guy]

There isn't any law that says the us cant hack into a chinese computer, the us government is not a private citizen

The us government is made up of private citizens. I'm not getting into this, you always take obamas side even when he is wrong, this makes you a straight up fake and sycophant. You shouldn't have to be told that that spying on people is wrong, that take stuff(data) that is not yours is wrong. but you also want the last word so you'll respond this, but I wont, so there's that.

 

[No1]

The NSA's mission has always been to intercept, collect, and analyze foreign communications. Snowden leaked documents pertaining to the collection of domestic metadata. What exactly are you attempting to argue here?



This argument is a bit imprecise, but I'll parse through it. By the "traditional sense of tapping," I'm guessing you're referring to telephonic intercepts where an actual conversation (content) is being monitored. Such activity by law enforcement requires proof of exhaustion, and subsequently, a warrant (court authorization) to monitor a targeted individual or group (the "bad guys").

The above standard does not apply to telephonic metadata (i.e., phone number and routing information), which is also a part of legal intercepts, because there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. While a court order is still required, law enforcement does not need to prove exhaustion, only relevance.

This is not an open question to be decided in the next election, nor is it illegal. It is a preexisting legal precedent, established by the Supreme Court, which allows the usage of Pen registers and trap and trace devices by law enforcement officials during conduction of proactive investigations regardless of scale.

To clear that last statement up. Law enforcement often monitors the call data of thousands of users to search for patterns which can be used to establish the criminality of one. Once there is probable cause, a warrant can then be obtained to monitor the actual content (conversation between two parties).

Therefore, what the NSA is doing still fits the "traditional sense of tapping" and the established guidelines of proactive criminal investigations. Only difference is technology and scale.



Which policy are you referring to, the NSA collection policy or the FISA policy?

Well, it's difficult to know if FISA is working because of how secretive it is. I do not have an issue with the number of request they have turned down because, without context, the number is meaningless. However, you and I seem to be in agreement, the real issue worth arguing is just that, there is no context. Civilian oversight of the FISA process is a must. Not to suggest the court's procedures be open to the public, but that there must be some sort of established and impartial oversight.

FISA obviously, NSA is derivative of that. Without having the time to make the argument, I'll just link you to this: NSA surveillance may be legal ? but it?s unconstitutional - Washington Post

I agree that the number means nothing without context, but it's prima facie case for further civilian oversight.

 

[theworldismine13]

The us government is made up of private citizens. I'm not getting into this, you always take obamas side even when he is wrong, this makes you a straight up fake and sycophant. You shouldn't have to be told that that spying on people is wrong, that take stuff(data) that is not yours is wrong. but you also want the last word so you'll respond this, but I wont, so there's that.

you are just naive, there is no law stopping the us government from hacking into Chinese computers or vice versa, in fact that is the NSA's job, that is one the major purposes of their existence

i hate to be the one to shatter your world, I hope you are able to handle this information

 

[IGSaint12]

If there is nothing wrong with what snowden leaked why wasn't it made public, you liberal cool-aid drinking ignoramus.

At least the Chinese don't hide the fact that they are monitoring their citizens.

never in my life did I ever think a communist government would be more open than an American government..

You ever think the chinese don't hide that they are monitoring their citizens because chinese citizens have no fukking choice? Did that ever cross your mind? There are no checks and balances on the chinese government. They can do whatever the fukk they want and all the chinese citizen can do is either cry quietly or protest and get locked up indefinetly or killed.

Are you seriously questioning the openness of the communist chinese party vs the US government?

Jesus christ you people are delusional..