NSA Wiretapping and Snowden on the run

[ltheghost]

Edward Snowden: Why did the NSA whistleblower have access to PRISM and other sensitive systems?

They gave this dumb ass the keys to the most powerful program in the NSA!?!? They deserve to get snitched on... Idiots.

 

[Chris.B]

He exposes US secrets and ends up in China?

How much was he paid by the Chinese?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

DN just interviewed Greenwald and played that Snowden shyt they replaying it now, shyt's real in the field brehs.

 

[Danie84]

Can't believe the government has been spying on us through our daily technology is such a revalation

And, I'm not buying that geeky whistleblower hiding out in Hong Kong (of all places) story for one second

 

[Chris.B]

Can't believe the government has been spying on us through our daily technology is such a revalation

And, I'm not buying that geeky whistleblower hiding out in Hong Kong (of all places) story for one second

Dude was kicked out of his house in Hawaii by the Landlord....

Century 21 real estate agent Kerri Jo Heim says Sunday that the owner of the house wanted the couple out so that the home could be sold.

There is more to this story!!!!

How much was he paid! Is what I need to know
He is concerned about the privacy of Americans but somehow ends in China? lol He thinks we are stupid.

Edward Snowden Moved Out Of Hawaii Home On May 1st

 

[Nefflum nigga]

The all seein eye....


They want to see everything.

 

[Kid McNamara]

He could be talking about a lot of statutes in both FISA and the PATRIOT Act. He's very vague in it, but I would guess one of them is this:

Right. So, do you notice how Greenwald's piece (and Biden's interview) suggests illegality without actually specifically citing where it occurs? This behavior is a pretty common tactic in journalism and is analogous to making a statement which suggests the guilt of a defendant in front of a jury and then having the statement struck from the record (as you might see on say, Law and Order). These journalist are planting a seed and that is what has you and the media faux outraged. After all, most of the actual information has been around for a number of years and no one seemed to care.


I, and others, have been adamant about this not being a scandal because neither the evidence provided by Snowden, nor the subsequent articles written by Greenwald actually contain proof of any legal wrongdoing or abuse by the NSA or Federal Government. You know...that pesky legal standard we have. If federal statutes were being broken, this would be a much much larger issue.

The whole idea of wrongdoing hinges on the unproven assertion that because the Federal Government possesses these capabilities, abuses are, or will be rampant throughout. Absent cited examples of unpunished institutional abuse, Greenwald's prognostications just stand to muddy up a decent piece of journalism.

Now, does the FISA court need civilian oversight? Sure. Should any abuses of power be punished harshly and swiftly? Absolutely. But the collection, parsing, and storage of metadata, in and of itself, is not a crime or scandal.

(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that—

Electronic surveillance is defined under 50 U.S.C. § 1801(f)(1). You can review it if you'd like, but government organization such as the NSA employ a number of skilled attorneys to parse legal codes (https://www.nsa.gov/psp/applyonline...=A&JobOpeningId=1035590&SiteId=1&PostingSeq=1).

Now, I know you're Joe Internet, Attorney at Law, but these programs are not conceived of on Monday and implemented on Tuesday. There are a number of protocols put in place to curb and punish abuse and most government civilians are simply not risking their careers, livelihood, and freedom to unjustifiably intercept the communications of you or anyone else.

On the one hand, you're arguing that the NSA is some draconian government organization with the power and tyrannical motivation to target innocent U.S. citizens en masse, with little regard for their freedom or privacy. On the other hand, you're arguing that the NSA would not apply the same rigorous level of scrutiny to those entrusted with performing the aforementioned functions.

How does that work?

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

He exposes US secrets and ends up in China?

How much was he paid by the Chinese?

Where do you think he should go instead? Milwaukee?

You saw what happened to Bradley Manning? This Admin has shown an utter disdain for leakers, and they would have made an example out of this boy had he not fleed for his life.

 

[Chris.B]

Where do you think he should go instead? Milwaukee?

You saw what happened to Bradley Manning? This Admin has shown an utter disdain for leakers, and they would have made an example out of this boy had he not fleed for his life.

Why does he go to a country which makes the US monitoring look like childs play if he is concerned about security?

Communist Chinese are better at privacy than the US :obama3:

He would have had some credibility had he not gone to China.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Why does he go to a country which makes the US monitoring look like childs play if he is concerned about security?

Communist Chinese are better at privacy that US :obama3:

I dont think Snowden ever argued that China has a less oppresive spying program, i think he simply wanted to go to a country whose government would be strong enough to resist any strong arm extradition tactics in order to get him back.

 

[Robbie3000]

Dude was kicked out of his house in Hawaii by the Landlord....


There is more to this story!!!!

How much was he paid! Is what I need to know
He is concerned about the privacy of Americans but somehow ends in China? lol He thinks we are stupid.

Edward Snowden Moved Out Of Hawaii Home On May 1st

Son was making $200K a year and he started as a security guard?

But on the real, we deserve everything we get as far as privacy violations. We are so p*ssy as a nation, that a terrorist attack made us tremble and give up our rights for a false sense of security.

No president is going to give up power that was handed to the executive branch in the years following 9/11. Not for any malicious intent necessarily, but simply a way to 'Cover Your Ass'. No president wants a terrorist attack on their watch after having given up special powers that others can argue could have prevented the attack.

It's a clusterfukk that threatens our civil liberties and will continue to be one until citizens stop being afraid and realize civil liberties are more important than the illusion of 100% security.

 

[Type Username Here]

Right. So, do you notice how Greenwald's piece (and Biden's interview) suggests illegality without actually specifically citing where it occurs?

The illegality occurs with that pesky little thing called the Constitution and the 4th Amendment. Just because laws are passed does not mean they are constitutional. Here's a 2001 memo from the NSA asking congress to rethink the 4th Amendment.

This behavior is a pretty common tactic in journalism and is analogous to making a statement which suggests the guilt of a defendant in front of a jury and then having the statement struck from the record (as you might see on say, Law and Order). These journalist are planting a seed and that is what has you and the media faux outraged. After all, most of the actual information has been around for a number of years and no one seemed to care.

This journalist you're speaking of is a well known Constitutional Lawyer. There is a multitude of Constitutional Lawyers who see these activities as unlawful. Also, that "it has been around a number of years" argument is nonsense. What role does that play?

It's like saying the Pentagon Papers weren't valid because we had a presence in Vietnam since the 50s.

I, and others, have been adamant about this not being a scandal because neither the evidence provided by Snowden, nor the subsequent articles written by Greenwald actually contain proof of any legal wrongdoing or abuse by the NSA or Federal Government. You know...that pesky legal standard we have. If federal statutes were being broken, this would be a much much larger issue.

Can you prove how this is in any way Constitutional? That is the SUPREME law.

Now, does the FISA court need civilian oversight? Sure. Should any abuses of power be punished harshly and swiftly? Absolutely. But the collection, parsing, and storage of metadata, in and of itself, is not a crime or scandal.

Joe Biden disagrees with you. I'm sure he had more information back then, and was vocal because it wasn't his party doing it.

Now, I know you're Joe Internet, Attorney at Law, but these programs are not conceived of on Monday and implemented on Tuesday. There are a number of protocols put in place to curb and punish abuse and most government civilians are simply not risking their careers, livelihood, and freedom to unjustifiably intercept the communications of you or anyone else.

Protocols? What happened with the protocols when it came to torture and black sites? That was somehow made legal because John Yoo wrote a memo? Again, you can question my credentials but don't act like there aren't people much more qualified to speak on the constitutionality of these matters than you. There is a large consensus that these activities are illegal.

On the one hand, you're arguing that the NSA is some draconian government organization with the power and tyrannical motivation to target innocent U.S. citizens en masse, with little regard for their freedom or privacy. On the other hand, you're arguing that the NSA would not apply the same rigorous level of scrutiny to those entrusted with performing the aforementioned functions.

How does that work?

It seems you thought you made some point here but it didn't translate as that.

 

[Chris.B]

I dont think Snowden ever argued that China has a less oppresive spying program, i think he simply wanted to go to a country whose government would be strong enough to resist any strong arm extradition tactics in order to get him back.

Then he defeats his own message. By running to the arms of a communist government.

You don't run from one "abuser" and take refuge in the arms of another "abuser"

logically it doesn't make sense....

 

[Type Username Here]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Can anyone explain to me how this is (a) reasonable, (b)done with probable cause and (c) describing the persons or things to be seized?

Can anyone tell me how collecting data on a billion calls a day or using PRISM to tap into servers satisfy those conditions?

I'll wait.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Just watched the Snowden interview with Greenwald. Unlike Bradley Manning, he gave the people a public face to sympathize with by doing an interview. And he came off as very normal and reasonable, so it will be hard to manipulate public sentiment by painting him as an America-hating traitor.