Now that JOKER has reached $1 billion, how does Disney look spending $300mil per film?

[Bryan Danielson]

like clockwork

 

[Brian O'Conner]

What character traits does Arthur Fleck share with any incarnation of the joker? Pulling a scene out of Dark Knight Returns doesn’t make it accurate.

unless that superficial allusion is enough. Let’s compare. In DKR, Joker had been in Arkham since Batman’s disappearance 10 years prior. He’d killed several people and been dormant since Batman vanished. He was being used by some liberal hippie as a poster child for rehab. He wore a white suit and used a henchman to kill everyone in the studio with laughing gas.

arthur fleck had 4 bodies and wasn’t even close to infamous. Their motivations aren’t even in the same realm. Sure it aped from the scene, but it’s barely even the same scene when you look at it in context. Which goes to my point that it’s Joker in name only.

and again, I enjoyed the movie. But this movie may as well have been called clown. Nothing lines up with any interpretation of the joker up until this point.

its based off the killing joke comic book, and despite what the directer says, id say pretty heavily going by the ending

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

its based off the killing joke comic book, and despite what the directer says, id say pretty heavily going by the ending

what?

If we only look at the flashback parts of Killing Joke that barely makes sense. Killing Joke involved a relatively normal dude, with a wife, who was a failed stand up comic that got in bad with the mob and fell into some chemicals.

Fleck is a mentally person who was already dressing up like a clown. With no girl, and no kids. Down on your luck comedian is a pretty broad brush to paint with.

 

[BXKingPin82]

DC stans just REFUSE to take a W.

 

[KevCo]

this is a complaint I haven’t seen a lot, but tend to agree with. I think it’s a good movie, but a bad joker movie. Aside from the suit, there’s not really much “joker” in the movie.

Movie literally could have just been called “Arthur” and have the same impact i enjoyed it very much both times and he was great in it but it didnt need to be a joker origin movie.

 

[Xerces]

Not my money, not my problem. Marvel movies > Dc movies overall.

Joker was good
The watchmen was good
The christian bale batman series was good
I thought aquaman wasnt bad

The rest were absolute basura

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Nothing lines up with any interpretation of the joker up until this point.

Except it actually does use quite a bit from many different iterations. You know why that it is? Because there is no true Joker origin, it changes depending on how he wants to tell it that day.

You're out of your element trying to debate these points. First you said they took nothing from the comics and you were wrong on that. Now you're trying to come at it from a different angle..

Quit. You're making yourself look more foolish than if you would have just kept your mouth shut and went about your day.

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

Except it actually does use quite a bit from many different iterations. You know why that it is? Because there is no true Joker origin, it changes depending on how he wants to tell it that day.

You're out of your element trying to debate these points. First you said they took nothing from the comics and you were wrong on that. Now you're trying to come at it from a different angle..

Quit. You're making yourself look more foolish than if you would have just kept your mouth shut and went about your day.

Please quote my post where I said they took nothing from the comics. Don’t paraphrase with your interpretation, give me the exact quote.

My comment was that this character doesn’t really have much in common with the Joker aside from the suit he puts on at the very end. I’m aware the joker has no true origin. Which is why I made my comment with respect to his personality and not origin story.

your analysis is shallow. To counter my comment you point to 1 scene in the movie that alludes to a comic book scene. I respond and give a breakdown of that scene and how in context the two scenes are only aesthetically similar. Which for some reason you don’t respond to and instead posted the above response.

The Joker is a foil to Batman. He’s a tactical genius, a chemist, and chaos personified. He’s got swag and charisma. He is purposeful and makes shyt happen. Arthur Fleck is none of those things. He’s a guy with severe mental issues, that doesn’t appear particularly smart. We can say it’s an origin all we want, but that doesn’t change the fact that Arthur Fleck appears to be Joker in name only.

To phrase it differently. If we had a Batman origin movie where he didn’t show signs of being a genius, god tier physical fitness, or the indomitable drive to succeed, would it escape the commentary? shyt, Brightburn copied several beats from the Superman mythology. It’s still a bad movie for the overall production. It’s also a bad Superman movie. Joker is a good movie, but still a bad Joker movie.

 

[Json]

Please quote my post where I said they took nothing from the comics. Don’t paraphrase with your interpretation, give me the exact quote.

My comment was that this character doesn’t really have much in common with the Joker aside from the suit he puts on at the very end. I’m aware the joker has no true origin. Which is why I made my comment with respect to his personality and not origin story.

your analysis is shallow. To counter my comment you point to 1 scene in the movie that alludes to a comic book scene. I respond and give a breakdown of that scene and how in context the two scenes are only aesthetically similar. Which for some reason you don’t respond to and instead posted the above response.

The Joker is a foil to Batman. He’s a tactical genius, a chemist, and chaos personified. He’s got swag and charisma. He is purposeful and makes shyt happen. Arthur Fleck is none of those things. He’s a guy with severe mental issues, that doesn’t appear particularly smart. We can say it’s an origin all we want, but that doesn’t change the fact that Arthur Fleck appears to be Joker in name only.

To phrase it differently. If we had a Batman origin movie where he didn’t show signs of being a genius, god tier physical fitness, or the indomitable drive to succeed, would it escape the commentary? shyt, Brightburn copied several beats from the Superman mythology. It’s still a bad movie for the overall production. It’s also a bad Superman movie. Joker is a good movie, but still a bad Joker movie.

This is a bad argument. Batman builds off of Bruce Wayne’s character and Bruce still exist.

Joker’s personality is a reflection of Batman. Who doesn’t exist yet.

This is more like Darth Vader. Anakin shows no signs of the future awesome character. He’s a whiny kid and a lovey dovey young man with emotional ties. We are watching the events that will wipe him out and create an entirely new personality.


If you don’t buy the events of the prequels equaling Vader that’s all there is. If you don’t buy that the events of the Killing Joke or Arthur would make a person like Joker, that’s it.

 

[peppe]

Seems like people dont know how to run a succesfull business. Disney currently made 8 billion with 2 months to go.

Disney doesnt give a shyt about fixing what isnt broken.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Seems like people dont know how to run a succesfull business. Disney currently made 8 billion with 2 months to go.

Disney doesnt give a shyt about fixing what isnt broken.

You would think the DC Stans and fake neutral stans would comprehend that since they of anyone be the main one touting “THE MOOOOONNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEY” when it comes to these discussions.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Look at these weirdos in here pocket watching Joker hoping that it's not too successful..

Y'all far too gone to be helped...

 

[CookisaCac]

Not my money, not my problem. Marvel movies > Dc movies overall.

Joker was good
The watchmen was good
The christian bale batman series was good
I thought aquaman wasnt bad

The rest were absolute basura

shazam and wonderwoman are basura? they're better than aquaman

 

[Axum Ezana]

You know better than that. Joker and Marvel movies are both marketed at the same core audience: white guys. Trump got elected the same way. Forget what everyone else is saying about “inclusion“, go after the people with the most disposable income and the most gripes with the world (even if they’re imaginary).

 

[Brian O'Conner]