Now That Jimmy Del Ray Gone, who is going to man the ship? Official WWE RAW Slammies 12/8 Thread

[JoogJoint]

Oh, they'll learn when he flops.
The only people cheering will be women and they'll be forced to make him the Samoan Val Venis because it's the only gimmick that will be profitable.
Hot shotting someone to the ME has never worked long term.

You guys act like it's the worst thing to have mostly females to like you as a wrestler or any public figure. This is the attitude that's turning off real female wrestling fans.

 

[Silkk]

Everybody talks about this "superman push," but yet his booking has sucked thus far...

I would even go as far as to say that Dean Ambrose for a long period of time had the best booking.

Thats cause he been out

He was closing out every raw & smackdown before going down

 

[September]

:Anoai:

 

[ECA]

As much hate as Cena gets, at least bruh puts on classics.

Roman Reigns aint the one

 

[R=G]

You guys act like it's the worst thing to have mostly females to like you as a wrestler or any public figure. This is the attitude that's turning off real female wrestling fans.

Thing is..it never works out right. Hardy got away with it but fans stuck with him because he took a lot of bumps during his tag years. That's why male fans didn't get on his ass eventually.

Thing is..Austin and Rock like Reigns. He's not going anywhere and he'll matter no matter what. We'll see how it pans out. Doing things the corporate way when you can clearly see fans are gonna go against things..just like I could see it with Cena a long time ago. From the beginning..from the day they cheered him at Backlash 2003, I knew it was gonna be a huge backlash. Because he's a joke character who can't really perform and he's copying things from others previous. The wigger thing definitely was gonna have detractors by year 2. Sure enough..he put out that video where he was in the backyard with all of those preppy looking motherfukkers and stopped rapping during the Angle feud. They flipped on him like anything we've ever seen. 20x worse than Rocky Maivia or X Pac.

 

[jackswstd]

IN!

I just noticed my man did an unintentional frog splash

 

[Killer Instinct]

You guys act like it's the worst thing to have mostly females to like you as a wrestler or any public figure. This is the attitude that's turning off real female wrestling fans.

No one in this thread said that, but you couldn't name me a professional wrestler that was ever a legit draw that was only over with the females in the crowd because they thought he was pretty.
This isn't R&B or the music industry.
You're not going to last long on the main event scene if the only people rooting for you and buying your merchandise are the members in the audience that get wet when your music hits.
Vince wants him as the guy.
They have to sell him to the hardcore fans who spend money.
They have to get him over with the kids who are going to ask mom and dad to buy his replica vest for Christmas.
That's a fact. Hot shotting him over guys like Ambrose who got over organically
(who coincidentally, also sold more merch on Thanksgiving that anyone not named CM Punk or Jon Cena IIRC)
is a recipe for disaster if they want him as the guy long term.
Wrestling fans aren't Rhodes scholars, but they aren't that stupid. If that harsh reality drives females wrestling fans away, then see ya.

 

[JoogJoint]

There will be way too much fukkery in the tables match for either to come out looking clean. Either J&J will help Rollins or Orton will screw Rollins.

I hope they go with J&J Security interferring when we see Cena winning, Seth curb stomps him, just when you think that Seth is winning, Randy's music hits...then Seth gets RKO'ed and they are forced to disqualify or do some sh_t like that.

 

[JoogJoint]

Most dominant performance in Royal Rumble history, consistent wins on Raw, every win with the Shield before they broke up this year, solid match with Orton at Summerslam...thus Superstar of the Year.

If Bryan didnt get injured it would've been him, i personally think Seth should've got it but im not mad that Reigns got it. Yall cant bytch that Cena gets a superman push, And then hate that a younger talent fan favorite is getting same said push just because the one you want is injured.

EXACTLY why it wouldn't make any sense to give it to Daniel Bryan because he missed most of his potential in 2014 early in the year (not his fault though), the other candidates started coming into their on a little bit later in the year, so can't hate that either, and Reigns just seemed like the obvious choice because Cena would've been more of a "damn this sh_t again" sort of thing.

People can't get mad at Cena all the time and then in the same breath say, "Why is Roman getting this push?!"

 

[JoogJoint]

Thats cause he been out

He was closing out every raw & smackdown before going down

He hasn't been injured through most of 2014 though, not like Daniel Bryan. When Roman was active this year his booking mostly consisted of working as a "hot tag" as you guys call it or working with Kane and Cena . Dude just started coming into his own as a singles competitor THEN he had the injury. When Dean came back he was doing the same thing, Seth now doing the same thing, except their booking doesn't suck. It's not always about wins or losses, but what they are doing with their booking in storylines, character development, etc. They haven't gotten that far with Roman. Yeah he wins, but what else are they booking for him?

 

[JoogJoint]

Thing is..it never works out right. Hardy got away with it but fans stuck with him because he took a lot of bumps during his tag years. That's why male fans didn't get on his ass eventually.

Thing is..Austin and Rock like Reigns. He's not going anywhere and he'll matter no matter what. We'll see how it pans out. Doing things the corporate way when you can clearly see fans are gonna go against things..just like I could see it with Cena a long time ago. From the beginning..from the day they cheered him at Backlash 2003, I knew it was gonna be a huge backlash. Because he's a joke character who can't really perform and he's copying things from others previous. The wigger thing definitely was gonna have detractors by year 2. Sure enough..he put out that video where he was in the backyard with all of those preppy looking motherfukkers and stopped rapping during the Angle feud. They flipped on him like anything we've ever seen. 20x worse than Rocky Maivia or X Pac.

Since you want to bring up your idol The Rock all the time, when I was younger, I remember there was a time that The Rock had A LOT of female fans, but then again wrestlers back then had a little more input into their characters which helped. It never works out because wrestling is still a sexist entertainment faction. To internet smark sh_t like that matters, but not to a casual fan it doesn't.

 

[R=G]

Since you want to bring up your idol The Rock all the time, when I was younger, I remember there was a time that The Rock had A LOT of female fans, but then again wrestlers back then had a little more input into their characters which helped. It never works out because wrestling is still a sexist entertainment faction. To internet smark sh_t like that matters, but not to a casual fan it doesn't.

Well, in 1999, the Rock was credited with increasing the overall female fanbase by 70%. So he's a whole different animal.

 

[JoogJoint]

No one in this thread said that, but you couldn't name me a professional wrestler that was ever a legit draw that was only over with the females in the crowd because they thought he was pretty.
This isn't R&B or the music industry.
You're not going to last long on the main event scene if the only people rooting for you and buying your merchandise are the members in the audience that get wet when your music hits.
Vince wants him as the guy.
They have to sell him to the hardcore fans who spend money.
They have to get him over with the kids who are going to ask mom and dad to buy his replica vest for Christmas.
That's a fact. Hot shotting him over guys like Ambrose who got over organically
(who coincidentally, also sold more merch on Thanksgiving that anyone not named CM Punk or Jon Cena IIRC)
is a recipe for disaster if they want him as the guy long term.
Wrestling fans aren't Rhodes scholars, but they aren't that stupid. If that harsh reality drives females wrestling fans away, then see ya.

Let me stop you right there. I know many of Dean Ambrose's fanbase are women and only like him because he's "bad boy hot," but of course only Roman gets this sh_t. I know some who only stopped liking him simply because of Renee for God's sake.

Ambrose and Seth's booking has been stronger. I think too may of you are thinking in terms of wins and losses. In wrestling that doesn't mean as much.

 

[JerseyBoy23]

Breh - there isn't even an anonymous GM anymore.

Not sure if that's was ever suppose to be more than a one shot deal though.

 

[InstantKlassik]

The Reigns stuff can be salvaged if he TURNS fukkING HEEL. He has the pretty boy look. Just flip and push him how you want in heel form. Because Bryan will return and that will matter and fans won't accept him being #3. That' won't work.

This. Him as a face is going to be a complete failure.